1 00:00:43,287 --> 00:00:45,278 (CAR DOOR OPENS) 2 00:00:48,487 --> 00:00:51,081 - What is it today, sir? - The Ministry. 3 00:00:51,247 --> 00:00:54,683 All morning on Health Service administration. 4 00:00:54,847 --> 00:00:57,202 A chap just now on the radio 5 00:00:57,367 --> 00:01:01,485 said the trouble with health, education and transport 6 00:01:01,647 --> 00:01:04,844 is that people in Government go to private hospitals 7 00:01:05,007 --> 00:01:08,124 and send their kids to private schools! 8 00:01:08,287 --> 00:01:10,847 Comedy programme, was it? 9 00:01:11,007 --> 00:01:13,999 And go to work in chauffeur-driven cars! 10 00:01:15,687 --> 00:01:18,360 Think there's something in it, sir? 11 00:01:18,527 --> 00:01:21,758 If you and Sir Humphrey went to work on a number 27... 12 00:01:21,927 --> 00:01:23,246 Quite impracticable! 13 00:01:23,407 --> 00:01:27,923 We work long enough hours as it is, without having to wait at bus stops. 14 00:01:28,087 --> 00:01:31,762 - You'd need more efficient buses. - Certainly would. 15 00:01:31,927 --> 00:01:34,964 Yes, that's what he was saying. 16 00:01:35,927 --> 00:01:39,966 Same with the Health Service. You a member of BUPA, sir? 17 00:01:40,127 --> 00:01:43,563 - Anything on the radio, Roy? - "Yesterday in Parliament". 18 00:01:43,727 --> 00:01:45,285 Don't bother... 19 00:01:45,447 --> 00:01:48,837 (RADl0) Mr Lanford, opposition member for Birmingham, 20 00:01:49,007 --> 00:01:52,124 asked the Administrative Affairs Minister, James Hacker, 21 00:01:52,287 --> 00:01:55,802 about reducing administrators in the Health Service. 22 00:01:56,447 --> 00:02:00,963 (HACKER) We have already achieved a reduction of 11.3% 23 00:02:01,127 --> 00:02:03,357 in administrative staff 24 00:02:03,527 --> 00:02:06,803 and are actively pursuing further economies. 25 00:02:06,967 --> 00:02:10,846 (LANF0RD) Would you explain how his assurance to the House 26 00:02:11,007 --> 00:02:15,922 squares with this minute from his own department? 27 00:02:16,087 --> 00:02:19,716 (REP0RTER) Then Mr Lanford dramatically produced a paper. 28 00:02:19,887 --> 00:02:23,766 (LANF0RD) I quote, "If admin staff were reclassified 29 00:02:23,927 --> 00:02:25,918 "from administrative to technical..." 30 00:02:26,087 --> 00:02:27,440 (MPs CHEERING) 31 00:02:27,607 --> 00:02:32,237 "...and the comparison changed from the financial to calendar year, 32 00:02:32,407 --> 00:02:37,686 "then the figures will show a fall of 11.3%. " 33 00:02:37,847 --> 00:02:41,442 Would the Minister care to comment on this shabby deception? 34 00:02:42,647 --> 00:02:45,286 Bit of a googly, sir. 35 00:02:46,247 --> 00:02:49,603 (HACKER) I... er... I... erm... 36 00:02:49,767 --> 00:02:54,079 I have no knowledge of the document you're brandishing. 37 00:02:55,367 --> 00:02:58,803 (LANF0RD) I shall give the file reference to the Minister 38 00:02:58,967 --> 00:03:04,325 in exchange for an assurance of a full independent enquiry. 39 00:03:04,487 --> 00:03:05,920 (JEERING) 40 00:03:06,847 --> 00:03:08,963 (HACKER) I will give that assurance. 41 00:03:09,127 --> 00:03:13,086 (REP0RTER) The House read the Scottish Fisheries' Bill... 42 00:03:13,247 --> 00:03:16,683 That's a bit rough, innit? "A full independent enquiry"! 43 00:03:17,967 --> 00:03:22,085 - You were dropped in it there. - I think I got away with it. 44 00:03:22,247 --> 00:03:26,479 Lucky they didn't ask you about that new hospital, sir. 45 00:03:26,647 --> 00:03:31,562 They finished it 15 months ago, and it's still got no patients. 46 00:03:31,727 --> 00:03:34,366 The DHSS can't afford to staff it. 47 00:03:34,527 --> 00:03:38,440 It's got staff, 500 administrators. 48 00:03:38,607 --> 00:03:40,802 - Just no patients. - Who told you? 49 00:03:40,967 --> 00:03:44,357 My mate Charlie, a driver for the Health Secretary. 50 00:03:48,207 --> 00:03:50,118 - I'm appalled! - So am I. 51 00:03:50,287 --> 00:03:52,164 The incompetence of it! 52 00:03:52,327 --> 00:03:54,841 I can't think what came over you. 53 00:03:55,007 --> 00:03:56,520 I beg your pardon! 54 00:03:56,687 --> 00:04:01,363 - A full independent enquiry. - Humphrey, that's not what I meant. 55 00:04:01,527 --> 00:04:04,644 - But you mentioned incompetence. - Yours, Humphrey, yours! 56 00:04:05,167 --> 00:04:08,045 - Mine?! - You dropped me into it? 57 00:04:08,207 --> 00:04:13,042 We can't foresee a small omission from the brief, but a full enquiry?! 58 00:04:13,207 --> 00:04:17,166 I don't want an enquiry, but if you're drowning and thrown a rope... 59 00:04:17,327 --> 00:04:20,080 That wasn't a rope, it was a noose! 60 00:04:20,247 --> 00:04:22,442 You should've stood up for the department! 61 00:04:22,607 --> 00:04:25,599 I prepared thoroughly for yesterday's Question Time, 62 00:04:25,767 --> 00:04:31,717 but nowhere was the suggestion you'd juggled the figures so I'd mislead the House! 63 00:04:31,887 --> 00:04:36,802 You wanted the figures reduced? So we reduced the figures! 64 00:04:36,967 --> 00:04:41,438 - Yes, but not the administrators. - Of course not. 65 00:04:41,607 --> 00:04:46,476 - That's not what I meant. - Minister, one isn't a mind-reader! 66 00:04:46,647 --> 00:04:50,003 - You said reduce them, so we did. - And another thing: 67 00:04:50,167 --> 00:04:52,635 How did this get out? Another leak? 68 00:04:53,767 --> 00:04:56,804 This isn't a department, it's a colander! 69 00:04:56,967 --> 00:05:01,324 How can we govern responsibly, if backbenchers get all the facts? 70 00:05:01,487 --> 00:05:06,322 - The enquiry gives us some time. - So does a time-bomb! 71 00:05:06,487 --> 00:05:09,126 - Is there a disposal squad? - Disposal squad? 72 00:05:09,287 --> 00:05:13,121 Couldn't we get the independent enquiry to exonerate us? 73 00:05:14,487 --> 00:05:18,480 - Do you mean rig it? - No, no, no, no! 74 00:05:18,647 --> 00:05:20,239 Well... yes. 75 00:05:20,927 --> 00:05:22,246 Minister! 76 00:05:23,127 --> 00:05:25,561 It depends on who the chairman is. 77 00:05:25,727 --> 00:05:29,037 - He absolutely has to be sound. - Sound? 78 00:05:29,207 --> 00:05:34,600 He will know what is required. He will perceive the implications. 79 00:05:34,767 --> 00:05:38,476 He will have a sympathetic insight into the problems. 80 00:05:38,647 --> 00:05:41,525 In short, he will be "sound". 81 00:05:41,687 --> 00:05:43,439 You mean... bent? 82 00:05:43,607 --> 00:05:45,598 No, of course not! 83 00:05:45,767 --> 00:05:48,918 He will be a man of broad understanding... 84 00:05:49,087 --> 00:05:51,760 How about... a retired politician? 85 00:05:51,927 --> 00:05:54,600 ...and unimpeachable integrity. 86 00:05:54,767 --> 00:05:56,962 Yes, I see what you mean. 87 00:05:57,127 --> 00:05:59,243 - A businessman? - Oh, really! 88 00:05:59,407 --> 00:06:02,365 - An academic? - No, no, no. 89 00:06:02,527 --> 00:06:07,601 - Who've you got in mind? - Perhaps a retired civil servant. 90 00:06:07,767 --> 00:06:11,646 - Good thinking, Humphrey. - Sir Maurice Williams. 91 00:06:11,807 --> 00:06:13,957 Might not he be too independent? 92 00:06:14,127 --> 00:06:18,040 - Well, he's hoping for a peerage. - Not through this? 93 00:06:18,207 --> 00:06:22,041 No, but the right finding will earn him Brownie points! 94 00:06:22,207 --> 00:06:25,961 - Brownie points?! - They all add up towards the badge! 95 00:06:27,447 --> 00:06:30,484 - Well, Sir Maurice it is. - Thank you, Minister. 96 00:06:30,647 --> 00:06:33,161 Thank you... Brown Owl. 97 00:06:33,327 --> 00:06:34,646 Oh! 98 00:06:37,007 --> 00:06:39,157 Good morning, Bernard. 99 00:06:39,927 --> 00:06:43,397 - Two points... the Cuban refugees. - Not that again? 100 00:06:43,567 --> 00:06:46,923 It's about our refusal to do any more for them. 101 00:06:47,087 --> 00:06:50,875 It's not my fault, it's the Treasury. You can't beat the Treasury! 102 00:06:51,047 --> 00:06:52,844 I shall say nothing. 103 00:06:53,007 --> 00:06:58,525 One more public humiliation and I'll become a political refugee myself! 104 00:06:58,687 --> 00:07:03,078 - And the other point? - The alleged empty hospital. 105 00:07:03,247 --> 00:07:07,206 As I warned you, the driver's network is not wholly reliable. 106 00:07:07,367 --> 00:07:10,279 - Roy's wrong. - Thank heavens for that! 107 00:07:10,447 --> 00:07:14,235 - How did you find out? - The private secretaries' network. 108 00:07:14,407 --> 00:07:15,726 And? 109 00:07:15,887 --> 00:07:20,597 In fact, there are only 342 administrative staff at the hospital. 110 00:07:20,767 --> 00:07:25,158 The other 170 are porters, cleaners, laundry workers, cooks, etc. 111 00:07:25,327 --> 00:07:26,885 And medical staff? 112 00:07:27,047 --> 00:07:29,117 Oh, none of them. 113 00:07:29,887 --> 00:07:32,321 - None? - No! 114 00:07:32,487 --> 00:07:35,285 We are talking about St Edward's Hospital? 115 00:07:35,447 --> 00:07:38,200 Yes. It's brand-new and fully-staffed. 116 00:07:38,367 --> 00:07:41,086 Unfortunately, there were cutbacks, 117 00:07:41,247 --> 00:07:44,205 so there was no money for medical services. 118 00:07:44,367 --> 00:07:48,076 A hospital with over 500 non-medical staff and no patients? 119 00:07:48,247 --> 00:07:50,283 - There's one patient. - One? 120 00:07:50,447 --> 00:07:54,645 The deputy administrator fell over scaffolding and broke his leg. 121 00:07:54,807 --> 00:07:56,365 Good God! 122 00:07:56,527 --> 00:08:00,645 Thank heavens I wasn't asked about this! Why hasn't it got out? 123 00:08:00,807 --> 00:08:04,004 It's been contrived to look like a building site, 124 00:08:04,167 --> 00:08:07,318 and so far no one's realised it's operational! 125 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:10,763 You know, scaffolding, skips, the normal thing? 126 00:08:11,287 --> 00:08:14,916 Normal?! I'd better look at it before the opposition does. 127 00:08:15,087 --> 00:08:18,363 Yes, it's surprising the press haven't found out. 128 00:08:18,527 --> 00:08:21,360 Fortunately, most journalists are so incompetent, 129 00:08:21,527 --> 00:08:24,121 they wouldn't know today is Wednesday. 130 00:08:24,287 --> 00:08:27,245 It's actually Thursday, Minister. 131 00:08:31,647 --> 00:08:33,922 Let's sit down there. 132 00:08:34,087 --> 00:08:36,920 Why is your Minister interested in this hospital? 133 00:08:37,087 --> 00:08:40,716 He's greatly concerned that it has no patients. 134 00:08:40,887 --> 00:08:43,640 - It takes all sorts. - Yes. 135 00:08:43,807 --> 00:08:45,923 - Evening. - Good evening. 136 00:08:47,007 --> 00:08:51,876 How can there be patients when it has no nursing staff? 137 00:08:54,127 --> 00:08:56,516 - Thank you. - Splendid. 138 00:08:56,687 --> 00:08:58,962 - Sir Humphrey? - Thank you. 139 00:09:00,087 --> 00:09:05,445 We've found at the DHSS that it takes time to get things going. 140 00:09:06,647 --> 00:09:11,323 First of all, you have to sort out the smooth running of the hospital. 141 00:09:11,487 --> 00:09:15,275 Having patients around would be no help at all. 142 00:09:15,847 --> 00:09:18,281 They'd just be in the way. 143 00:09:18,447 --> 00:09:23,885 - Tell him this is the run-in period. - Yes, yes, the run-in period. 144 00:09:24,607 --> 00:09:27,804 How long is the run-in period going to last? 145 00:09:27,967 --> 00:09:30,845 My Minister's agreed to an independent enquiry. 146 00:09:31,007 --> 00:09:35,205 - You know what I think about that. - Yes, I know, but... 147 00:09:35,887 --> 00:09:40,961 ...we are going to get some patients into St Edward's... 148 00:09:41,847 --> 00:09:43,439 ...eventually? 149 00:09:44,287 --> 00:09:46,039 Aren't we? 150 00:09:46,207 --> 00:09:48,198 It's possible. 151 00:09:49,967 --> 00:09:52,765 Certainly our present intention. 152 00:09:53,847 --> 00:09:55,838 In a year or two. 153 00:09:56,767 --> 00:10:00,919 Probably... when the financial situation has eased up a bit. 154 00:10:01,087 --> 00:10:02,520 Not till then? 155 00:10:02,687 --> 00:10:06,965 How can I open 40 new wards when I'm closing everywhere else? 156 00:10:07,127 --> 00:10:12,121 - Treasury wouldn't wear it. - My Minister may want to shut the place. 157 00:10:12,287 --> 00:10:14,482 Impossible! What about the unions? 158 00:10:15,247 --> 00:10:19,445 - Are the unions active there yet? - Good point. 159 00:10:21,767 --> 00:10:25,999 Remember that firebrand agitator at Southwark Hospital? 160 00:10:27,607 --> 00:10:30,565 Billy Fraser, odious man. Could be useful. 161 00:10:30,727 --> 00:10:33,366 Time he was moved on. 162 00:10:37,007 --> 00:10:41,398 The Health Service is an advanced case of galloping bureaucracy! 163 00:10:41,567 --> 00:10:44,479 Oh, certainly not galloping! 164 00:10:46,727 --> 00:10:48,957 A gentle canter at the most. 165 00:10:49,127 --> 00:10:53,245 - Instances flood into this office. - From whom, Minister? 166 00:10:53,407 --> 00:10:56,683 MPs, constituents, doctors, nurses, the public. 167 00:10:56,847 --> 00:10:58,678 Trouble makers! 168 00:10:58,847 --> 00:11:01,645 - The public?! - They're the worst. 169 00:11:02,287 --> 00:11:03,640 Listen to this. 170 00:11:03,807 --> 00:11:06,879 "Stethoscope requisition: Due to current situation, 171 00:11:07,047 --> 00:11:11,120 "it is not possible to issue the extra stethoscopes applied for. 172 00:11:11,287 --> 00:11:17,476 "We can, however, supply longer tubes for your existing stethoscopes." 173 00:11:18,407 --> 00:11:21,956 - Well? - Doesn't that strike you as odd? 174 00:11:22,127 --> 00:11:25,085 - If they have long tubes... - No, no. 175 00:11:25,247 --> 00:11:28,717 No, not longer stethoscopes, MORE stethoscopes. 176 00:11:28,887 --> 00:11:31,560 If they had really long tubes, 177 00:11:31,727 --> 00:11:36,642 the doctor could stand in one place and listen to all the chests. 178 00:11:40,407 --> 00:11:42,523 What about nurses' uniforms? 179 00:11:42,687 --> 00:11:45,838 "Apparently the latest consignment of nurses' coats 180 00:11:46,207 --> 00:11:50,359 "is made of a see-through material; nurses issued with these 181 00:11:50,527 --> 00:11:55,078 "are requested to report to the Director of Uniform Surveillance 182 00:11:55,247 --> 00:11:59,798 "who will assess the extent of the problem." 183 00:11:59,967 --> 00:12:04,358 - Nice work if you can get it. - Humphrey, I'm serious! 184 00:12:05,407 --> 00:12:10,640 "Please note that the soft toilet rolls are for patients not staff. 185 00:12:10,807 --> 00:12:15,597 "It would appear that staff have been using the soft toilet rolls 186 00:12:15,767 --> 00:12:18,440 "for one reason or another." 187 00:12:20,007 --> 00:12:24,239 "St Stephen's Mortuary will be closed over Christmas. 188 00:12:24,407 --> 00:12:27,604 "During the holiday, medical staff are to cooperate 189 00:12:27,767 --> 00:12:30,759 "in keeping pressure off this department." 190 00:12:32,287 --> 00:12:34,596 A very civil and reasonable request. 191 00:12:34,767 --> 00:12:40,399 You think the rest of the year doctors work hard to keep it busy? 192 00:12:40,967 --> 00:12:43,765 These are a few isolated examples. 193 00:12:43,927 --> 00:12:49,206 The Health Service is as efficient as the Government allows it. 194 00:12:49,367 --> 00:12:52,279 Nonsense! The figures speak for themselves. 195 00:12:52,447 --> 00:12:57,475 In ten years, the number of administrators has risen by 40,000. 196 00:12:57,647 --> 00:13:01,083 The number of hospital beds has fallen by 60,000. 197 00:13:01,247 --> 00:13:07,243 The annual cost of the Health Service has gone up by £1.5 billion! 198 00:13:07,407 --> 00:13:11,400 If only British industry could match this growth record. 199 00:13:11,567 --> 00:13:15,446 You think spending more money on fewer patients 200 00:13:15,607 --> 00:13:18,041 so we can employ more administrators 201 00:13:18,207 --> 00:13:22,041 is a good way of spending the taxpayer's money? 202 00:13:22,207 --> 00:13:23,526 Certainly. 203 00:13:23,687 --> 00:13:27,362 This money is solely to make sick people better. 204 00:13:27,527 --> 00:13:30,405 No, no, no, Minister. 205 00:13:30,567 --> 00:13:33,127 It is to make everybody better. 206 00:13:33,287 --> 00:13:37,644 Better for showing the extent of their care and compassion. 207 00:13:37,807 --> 00:13:43,086 You see, when money is allocated to the Health or Social Services, 208 00:13:43,247 --> 00:13:46,637 Parliament and the country feel... cleansed. 209 00:13:47,647 --> 00:13:51,242 Purified. Absolved. It is a sacrifice. 210 00:13:51,407 --> 00:13:53,284 Dreadful claptrap! 211 00:13:54,007 --> 00:13:59,525 After the sacrifice, nobody questions what happened to the offering. 212 00:13:59,687 --> 00:14:05,637 - The public does care if it's misspent. - They care it's not seen to be misspent. 213 00:14:05,807 --> 00:14:11,006 That's not true. Look at the uproar over mental hospital scandals. 214 00:14:11,167 --> 00:14:13,044 My point exactly. 215 00:14:13,207 --> 00:14:16,722 Those abuses had been going on happily for years. 216 00:14:16,887 --> 00:14:20,880 Nobody was concerned what was being done with their money. 217 00:14:21,047 --> 00:14:25,438 - What outraged them was being told! - A cynical smokescreen! 218 00:14:25,607 --> 00:14:30,920 Do we not agree there's no point in a hospital run solely for the staff? 219 00:14:31,087 --> 00:14:36,081 - That's not how I would express it. - It's how I would. 220 00:14:36,247 --> 00:14:38,238 Indeed. 221 00:14:39,247 --> 00:14:42,717 - How would you express it? - At the end of the day, 222 00:14:42,887 --> 00:14:46,004 one of a hospital's prime functions is patient care. 223 00:14:46,167 --> 00:14:47,486 One? 224 00:14:47,647 --> 00:14:51,560 Until we have the money for nursing and medical staff, 225 00:14:51,727 --> 00:14:55,766 it's a function we can't pursue. In 18 months or so... 226 00:14:55,927 --> 00:14:59,124 - 18 months? ...we can open some wards. 227 00:14:59,287 --> 00:15:01,642 No, it's got to be now. 228 00:15:02,807 --> 00:15:06,277 I suppose we could form an inter-departmental committee 229 00:15:06,447 --> 00:15:09,564 to examine the feasibility of monitoring a proposal 230 00:15:09,727 --> 00:15:12,400 for admitting patients earlier. 231 00:15:12,847 --> 00:15:15,884 - How long would that take to report? - Not long. 232 00:15:16,047 --> 00:15:19,483 How long? About 18 months...! 233 00:15:20,207 --> 00:15:23,802 I suggest we get rid of all the staff there 234 00:15:23,967 --> 00:15:28,483 and use the money to open closed wards in other hospitals. 235 00:15:28,647 --> 00:15:34,040 When we can afford it, we open St Edward's with medical staff. 236 00:15:34,207 --> 00:15:37,995 Do that and you'll delay the opening for patients for years. 237 00:15:38,167 --> 00:15:41,523 You talk as if the staff have nothing to do! 238 00:15:41,687 --> 00:15:44,042 - What do they do? - Really, Minister! 239 00:15:44,207 --> 00:15:47,279 There's a large number of extremely busy departments. 240 00:15:47,447 --> 00:15:51,122 Firstly, the Contingency Department for fires, strikes, air raids, 241 00:15:51,287 --> 00:15:54,597 nuclear war, epidemics, food or water poisoning. 242 00:15:54,767 --> 00:15:58,806 In such a crisis, the hospital is a key centre for survival. 243 00:15:58,967 --> 00:16:01,640 Then, the Data and Research Department, 244 00:16:01,807 --> 00:16:06,278 conducting a full-scale demographic survey of the catchment area. 245 00:16:06,447 --> 00:16:09,917 We have to anticipate the future requirements for maternity, 246 00:16:10,087 --> 00:16:14,126 geriatrics, paediatrics and the male/female balance. 247 00:16:14,287 --> 00:16:17,359 Thirdly, there's Finance - projected accounts, 248 00:16:17,527 --> 00:16:20,280 balance sheets and cash-flow budgets. 249 00:16:20,447 --> 00:16:25,567 Then, the Purchasing Department for purchasing medical equipment, 250 00:16:25,727 --> 00:16:29,959 examining estimates, looking at price lists and catalogues... 251 00:16:30,127 --> 00:16:32,004 Purchasing what? 252 00:16:32,167 --> 00:16:33,725 Everything, Minister. 253 00:16:33,887 --> 00:16:37,846 Everything from brain scanners to Brasso! May I continue? 254 00:16:38,007 --> 00:16:39,326 Be briefer. 255 00:16:40,207 --> 00:16:44,325 Would that I could, Minister, but you need to understand. 256 00:16:44,487 --> 00:16:47,365 Fifth, the Technical Department for evaluations. 257 00:16:47,527 --> 00:16:51,884 Sixth, the Building Department dealing with Phase 3 plans, 258 00:16:52,047 --> 00:16:57,041 costing and so forth for the final phase to be completed by 1994. 259 00:16:57,207 --> 00:17:00,040 Then, there's Maintenance, Cleaning and Catering, 260 00:17:00,207 --> 00:17:04,246 Personnel in charge of leave, National Health Insurance, salaries, 261 00:17:04,407 --> 00:17:09,561 as well as staff welfare officers to look after the 500 employees. 262 00:17:09,727 --> 00:17:12,605 - And finally, Administration. - Administrators! 263 00:17:12,767 --> 00:17:15,156 More administrators administrating other administrators! 264 00:17:15,327 --> 00:17:17,887 This is important work, Minister. 265 00:17:18,047 --> 00:17:21,722 The typing pool, stationery, office furniture and equipment. 266 00:17:21,887 --> 00:17:26,802 - Liaison between departments. - Are you being serious or not? 267 00:17:26,967 --> 00:17:31,245 - What do you mean? - There are NO patients! 268 00:17:31,407 --> 00:17:34,479 That is what a hospital's for. Patients! 269 00:17:34,647 --> 00:17:37,559 Ill people! Healing the sick! 270 00:17:37,727 --> 00:17:43,404 But all these vital tasks must be done with or without patients. 271 00:17:44,087 --> 00:17:45,998 Why? 272 00:17:46,927 --> 00:17:49,805 - Why? - Why? 273 00:17:51,007 --> 00:17:53,202 I don't understand. 274 00:17:53,367 --> 00:17:56,086 How else can I express it? Why? 275 00:17:56,247 --> 00:17:58,920 Would you sack the army because there's no war? 276 00:17:59,087 --> 00:18:02,921 Completely different! A hospital must produce results. 277 00:18:03,087 --> 00:18:08,719 We don't measure our success by results but by activity. 278 00:18:08,887 --> 00:18:13,244 Those 500 people are seriously overworked! 279 00:18:15,847 --> 00:18:19,283 The full establishment should be 650. 280 00:18:19,447 --> 00:18:21,881 May I show you the paperwork? 281 00:18:22,047 --> 00:18:25,278 No, Humphrey. Enough is enough. Sack them! 282 00:18:25,887 --> 00:18:28,799 Out of the question, Minister. 283 00:18:28,967 --> 00:18:32,482 We need administrators or the hospital will never open. 284 00:18:32,647 --> 00:18:36,117 - Sack the ancillary staff. - The unions won't wear it. 285 00:18:36,287 --> 00:18:41,156 Sack half and use the money to get doctors and nurses, 286 00:18:41,327 --> 00:18:43,682 and open some wards! 287 00:18:43,847 --> 00:18:47,681 No, Humphrey, that's my last word. My last word! 288 00:18:47,847 --> 00:18:49,917 You may go! 289 00:18:51,407 --> 00:18:55,559 Very well, Minister. I shall have a word with the unions. 290 00:18:56,567 --> 00:19:00,082 - But I don't hold out much hope. - Go! 291 00:19:02,407 --> 00:19:05,763 That seems to be everything. Thank you for coming. 292 00:19:12,247 --> 00:19:14,966 Thank you very much. 293 00:19:16,047 --> 00:19:18,083 Very good meeting. 294 00:19:18,247 --> 00:19:21,478 - Got time for a drink? - A quick one. 295 00:19:21,647 --> 00:19:24,207 The usual? Make yourself at home. 296 00:19:24,367 --> 00:19:25,766 Thank you. 297 00:19:31,527 --> 00:19:35,236 What are we going to do about St Edward's? 298 00:19:35,407 --> 00:19:37,477 St Edward's Hospital? 299 00:19:37,647 --> 00:19:41,322 Not much of a case. Can't fight you on it. 300 00:19:42,127 --> 00:19:44,197 What do you mean? 301 00:19:44,367 --> 00:19:49,600 We realise you can't keep ancillary staff on in an empty hospital. 302 00:19:50,167 --> 00:19:52,965 Isn't that a bit defeatist? 303 00:19:53,887 --> 00:19:55,923 What? 304 00:19:56,087 --> 00:19:59,682 - Surely, you can stick up for them? - You want us to...? 305 00:19:59,847 --> 00:20:02,964 It's not just your workers, you know? 306 00:20:03,127 --> 00:20:08,565 The 342 civil servants must have some workers to administer. 307 00:20:08,727 --> 00:20:13,562 - Civil servants are never laid off. - We live in disturbing times. 308 00:20:14,367 --> 00:20:19,202 You mean, if we take industrial action, you'll support us? 309 00:20:19,367 --> 00:20:22,677 My dear Brian, I am the Permanent Secretary. 310 00:20:22,847 --> 00:20:25,805 My task is to turn the wheels of government. 311 00:20:25,967 --> 00:20:29,357 I couldn't possibly countenance any such action. 312 00:20:30,487 --> 00:20:36,357 But... if there were effective opposition from the ancillary workers, 313 00:20:36,527 --> 00:20:39,246 the civil servants would have to stay. 314 00:20:39,407 --> 00:20:40,965 And the Minister? 315 00:20:41,127 --> 00:20:45,518 The Minister doesn't know his ACAS from his NALGO. 316 00:20:50,607 --> 00:20:53,280 I haven't got much of a case. 317 00:20:53,447 --> 00:20:57,599 Hospital empty for 15 months, wards not open for another year. 318 00:20:57,767 --> 00:21:01,965 Pull yourself together. Think of your members' wives and children. 319 00:21:02,127 --> 00:21:05,164 Their... cats... budgies! 320 00:21:05,327 --> 00:21:07,761 They're resigned to it by now. 321 00:21:08,527 --> 00:21:12,042 Is Billy Fraser resigned to it? 322 00:21:12,727 --> 00:21:15,195 Yes... but he's over at Southwark. 323 00:21:16,087 --> 00:21:18,965 Do you want to bet? 324 00:21:19,407 --> 00:21:20,806 You mean...? 325 00:21:22,127 --> 00:21:27,326 Well, that's a different matter, with some real shop-floor militancy. 326 00:21:27,487 --> 00:21:30,763 You see? Unity. Solidarity. 327 00:21:31,527 --> 00:21:34,485 - Thanks for the drink. - Thank you, Brother. 328 00:21:34,647 --> 00:21:39,038 Please give my kind regards to our fraternal comrades. 329 00:21:41,807 --> 00:21:46,403 # We shall not We shall not be moved # 330 00:22:09,687 --> 00:22:13,396 Minister, this is Mrs Rogers, the chief administrator. 331 00:22:13,567 --> 00:22:17,719 - Nice to meet you. - Billy Fraser, committee chairman. 332 00:22:17,887 --> 00:22:22,563 - How nice to meet you. - I wouldn't be too sure. 333 00:22:29,047 --> 00:22:31,845 This is 'F' ward. 334 00:22:37,127 --> 00:22:40,642 (RACKET OF TYPEWRITERS AND PHONES) 335 00:22:44,487 --> 00:22:47,285 (PHONES RING INCESSANTLY) 336 00:22:50,887 --> 00:22:53,685 And this is 'J' theatre. 337 00:22:56,327 --> 00:23:02,880 - How much did all this cost? - With radiotherapy... two and a quarter million. 338 00:23:03,047 --> 00:23:08,758 - It's appalling it's not used! - No, a very good thing in some ways. 339 00:23:08,927 --> 00:23:12,522 Prolongs its life, cuts down running costs. 340 00:23:12,687 --> 00:23:14,803 But there are no patients! 341 00:23:14,967 --> 00:23:17,640 But essential work has to go on. 342 00:23:17,807 --> 00:23:20,367 Aren't patients essential work? 343 00:23:20,527 --> 00:23:24,202 Running an organisation of 500 people is a big job. 344 00:23:24,367 --> 00:23:27,882 But if they weren't here, they wouldn't be here! 345 00:23:28,047 --> 00:23:30,117 This is wrong. It won't do. 346 00:23:30,287 --> 00:23:33,359 Either get some patients or I'll close it. 347 00:23:33,527 --> 00:23:38,476 - Well, in the course of time... - Not in the course of time. Now! 348 00:23:38,647 --> 00:23:44,040 Get rid of 300 staff, get some doctors and get some patients! 349 00:23:44,207 --> 00:23:48,439 Without those 300 people this hospital wouldn't function! 350 00:23:48,607 --> 00:23:50,643 And it's functioning now? 351 00:23:50,807 --> 00:23:55,005 Minister, it's one of the best-run hospitals in the country. 352 00:23:55,167 --> 00:23:57,965 It's up for a Florence Nightingale Award. 353 00:23:58,127 --> 00:24:02,757 - What, pray, is that? - "The Most Hygienic Hospital". 354 00:24:03,327 --> 00:24:06,763 I've said my last word. 300 staff must go. 355 00:24:06,927 --> 00:24:12,684 - 300 jobs lost?! - Surgery with a skeleton staff?! 356 00:24:12,847 --> 00:24:17,796 Don't do any surgery. Do varicose veins, piles... Do something! 357 00:24:17,967 --> 00:24:21,721 - You mean 300 jobs lost?! - Yes, I do. 358 00:24:21,887 --> 00:24:25,596 A hospital is a place for healing of the sick! 359 00:24:25,767 --> 00:24:30,045 It's employment for my members, and you want to sack them. 360 00:24:30,207 --> 00:24:32,801 Is that your compassionate society? 361 00:24:32,967 --> 00:24:35,959 Compassionate to patients rather than your members! 362 00:24:36,127 --> 00:24:38,721 We'll come out on strike. 363 00:24:39,487 --> 00:24:41,762 Very well, do that. 364 00:24:41,927 --> 00:24:46,478 Who can it harm? Do, please! Strike, the sooner the better! 365 00:24:46,647 --> 00:24:51,960 Take the administrators with you. Then we shan't have to pay you. 366 00:25:01,647 --> 00:25:05,879 - How about a drink before home? - Yes. Thank you, Minister. 367 00:25:06,047 --> 00:25:10,325 - That went well at the hospital. - Yes, Minister. 368 00:25:10,487 --> 00:25:13,843 - I wasn't standing any argument. - No, Minister. 369 00:25:14,007 --> 00:25:18,364 Threatening to strike! Played right into my hands. Cheers! 370 00:25:18,527 --> 00:25:21,325 Aren't we missing the news? 371 00:25:22,607 --> 00:25:28,523 0ur diplomatic correspondent says the US is pressuring the UK 372 00:25:28,687 --> 00:25:31,076 to take Cuban refugees. 373 00:25:31,247 --> 00:25:33,522 The Government has made no comment. 374 00:25:33,687 --> 00:25:35,564 Got no money. 375 00:25:35,727 --> 00:25:42,360 All workers in London hospitals are to go on strike at Friday midnight. 376 00:25:43,087 --> 00:25:45,647 Right... What?! 377 00:25:45,807 --> 00:25:48,401 A row has blown up at St Edwards 378 00:25:48,567 --> 00:25:52,924 over the proposed laying-off of 170 ancillary workers. 379 00:25:53,087 --> 00:25:55,555 We spoke to activist Billy Fraser. 380 00:25:55,727 --> 00:25:58,719 We're striking against unemployment. 381 00:25:58,887 --> 00:26:02,243 We can bring London's hospitals to a complete standstill. 382 00:26:02,887 --> 00:26:07,563 There'll be no blood transfusions, no cancer treatment, nothingl 383 00:26:07,727 --> 00:26:10,639 Till we have the compassionate society. 384 00:26:10,807 --> 00:26:15,881 - How can you do this to patients? - It's Mr Hacker that's doing it. 385 00:26:16,047 --> 00:26:20,359 But you're inflicting terrible sanctions on the innocent public. 386 00:26:20,527 --> 00:26:25,726 I'd like to take this opportunity to assure the general public, 387 00:26:25,887 --> 00:26:30,278 every stone will be left unturned in a search for a settlement. 388 00:26:32,567 --> 00:26:36,765 Have you seen the news? You said you'd talk to the unions! 389 00:26:36,927 --> 00:26:41,205 - What are we going to do? - We have a more serious problem. 390 00:26:41,367 --> 00:26:44,598 Sir Maurice's independent enquiry about the department. 391 00:26:44,767 --> 00:26:46,883 It's unfavourable to us. 392 00:26:47,047 --> 00:26:49,117 You said he was sound! 393 00:26:49,287 --> 00:26:53,326 I know, but he's also working as chairman 394 00:26:53,487 --> 00:26:56,126 of the Refugee Resettlement Committee. 395 00:26:56,287 --> 00:27:00,599 There are more Brownie points for refugees than enquiries! 396 00:27:00,767 --> 00:27:02,485 Precisely, Minister. 397 00:27:02,647 --> 00:27:05,605 We've no money to re-house the refugees. 398 00:27:06,127 --> 00:27:08,687 - Minister? - I don't want to talk! 399 00:27:08,847 --> 00:27:10,997 It's Number 10... 400 00:27:14,967 --> 00:27:16,400 Hello, Ji... 401 00:27:16,567 --> 00:27:18,159 Yes. Quite. 402 00:27:18,327 --> 00:27:19,646 I see. 403 00:27:19,807 --> 00:27:22,037 Not at all. Thank you. 404 00:27:22,607 --> 00:27:24,996 They've seen Fraser on the news. 405 00:27:25,167 --> 00:27:28,000 They want a peace formula soon! 406 00:27:28,167 --> 00:27:34,800 Sir Maurice says he'll be satisfied only if the UK will house 1,000 refugees. 407 00:27:34,967 --> 00:27:39,483 But we haven't the money. Or for 1,000 hospital beds... 408 00:27:40,567 --> 00:27:44,242 - How many refugees? - 1,000. 409 00:27:44,407 --> 00:27:47,479 1,000 refugees? 1,000 beds! 410 00:27:47,647 --> 00:27:53,085 Minister, that hospital is for sick British not healthy foreigners! 411 00:27:53,247 --> 00:27:56,637 - There's a huge waiting list. - Didn't you just say 412 00:27:56,807 --> 00:28:00,686 Sir Maurice's enquiry was likely to come down against us? 413 00:28:00,847 --> 00:28:03,919 - That's a... - That what you want? 414 00:28:05,287 --> 00:28:07,801 I see your point, Minister. 415 00:28:07,967 --> 00:28:12,483 Bernard, reinstate all the workers at St Edward's. 416 00:28:12,647 --> 00:28:15,957 Tell Sir Maurice we can offer a new hospital, 417 00:28:16,127 --> 00:28:18,721 with accommodation for 1,000 refugees. 418 00:28:18,887 --> 00:28:22,926 Tell the press it was my decision and that everybody's happy. 419 00:28:23,087 --> 00:28:27,126 - Do want to give a quote, Minister? - Why not? Say... 420 00:28:27,287 --> 00:28:31,838 "It was a tough decision, but a necessary one. 421 00:28:33,927 --> 00:28:37,966 "If Britain is to retain the name of..." 422 00:28:38,127 --> 00:28:41,802 - "The compassionate society"? - Thank you. 423 00:28:41,967 --> 00:28:44,720 "...the compassionate society." Got that? 424 00:28:44,887 --> 00:28:47,321 Yes, Minister. 425 00:30:14,647 --> 00:30:17,036 We can't economise in accommodation? 426 00:30:17,207 --> 00:30:19,323 (WOMAN) 'Fraid not, Minister. 427 00:30:19,487 --> 00:30:23,639 - Data-processing equipment? - Not possible. 428 00:30:23,807 --> 00:30:28,198 - The further education budget? - Sadly, it can't be. 429 00:30:29,487 --> 00:30:32,957 At least the universities won't cost us as much, 430 00:30:33,127 --> 00:30:37,006 with overseas students paying fees covering education costs. 431 00:30:37,167 --> 00:30:41,922 - Unless you make exceptions...? - No, sorry, no exceptions. 432 00:30:42,087 --> 00:30:43,998 At least, that's one saving. 433 00:30:44,167 --> 00:30:47,842 - Minister, it's... - Yes, of course. 434 00:30:48,007 --> 00:30:50,601 That's all, I'm afraid. Meeting over. 435 00:30:50,767 --> 00:30:53,122 - Thank you - Thank you. 436 00:30:53,287 --> 00:30:55,198 Before Sir Humphrey comes, 437 00:30:55,367 --> 00:31:00,077 Number 10 asked you to approve recommendations for the honours list. 438 00:31:00,247 --> 00:31:02,681 That's the eighth time you've asked. 439 00:31:02,847 --> 00:31:06,078 Are honours the most serious concern of this department? 440 00:31:06,247 --> 00:31:10,957 They are to the people on the list. Some haven't slept for days! 441 00:31:11,127 --> 00:31:15,359 What are they worried about? Ministers never veto honours. 442 00:31:15,527 --> 00:31:19,122 It's possible. They're worried about the delay. 443 00:31:19,287 --> 00:31:23,280 How do people know they're listed? It's marked "Strictly Confidential". 444 00:31:23,447 --> 00:31:25,199 Oh, Minister... 445 00:31:27,047 --> 00:31:28,605 Silly of me. 446 00:31:28,767 --> 00:31:32,726 If they'd put some of that effort into cutting expenditure... 447 00:31:32,887 --> 00:31:36,004 How can I make people want economies 448 00:31:36,167 --> 00:31:39,762 in the same way they want OBEs and KCBs? 449 00:31:39,927 --> 00:31:43,442 I've been thinking... No, no, no. 450 00:31:43,607 --> 00:31:46,246 - What? - No, no, nothing... 451 00:31:46,967 --> 00:31:48,366 Spit it out. 452 00:31:48,887 --> 00:31:53,483 It's not my place, and I couldn't possibly recommend it... 453 00:31:53,647 --> 00:31:57,765 Suppose you were to refuse to recommend any honours 454 00:31:57,927 --> 00:32:02,921 for civil servants who hadn't cut their budgets by 5%...? 455 00:32:03,967 --> 00:32:06,925 - Bernard! - Sorry, Minister... 456 00:32:07,087 --> 00:32:10,204 No, Bernard! It's brilliant! 457 00:32:11,607 --> 00:32:16,123 It's the answer. It's the only hold we have over the civil servants. 458 00:32:16,287 --> 00:32:19,757 I can't stop their pay rises or their promotions. 459 00:32:19,927 --> 00:32:24,443 I don't even write their reports, but I can withhold their honours! 460 00:32:24,607 --> 00:32:27,883 - Well done. - You thought of it, Minister. 461 00:32:28,047 --> 00:32:32,279 - No, no, you thought of it. - No, you thought of it. 462 00:32:33,247 --> 00:32:35,636 Please! 463 00:32:38,047 --> 00:32:42,086 Just a touch, please. Thank you very much. 464 00:32:42,247 --> 00:32:46,160 Splendid dinner. I always enjoy my visits here. 465 00:32:46,327 --> 00:32:49,558 I'm afraid this could be your last. 466 00:32:49,727 --> 00:32:53,515 Why? Did I pass the port the wrong way? 467 00:32:53,687 --> 00:32:57,521 - Tell him, Bursar. - The college's going to the wall. 468 00:32:57,687 --> 00:33:03,125 It's your new policy of charging overseas students full rates. 469 00:33:03,287 --> 00:33:05,596 Other Oxford colleges can cope, 470 00:33:05,767 --> 00:33:10,522 but we've always had many overseas students here at Baillie. 471 00:33:10,687 --> 00:33:14,236 You simply charge them a full fee, no problem. 472 00:33:14,407 --> 00:33:18,320 Unless they can't pay £4,000 a year. They won't come. 473 00:33:18,487 --> 00:33:24,801 I've been all over the USA, selling them the idea of an Oxford education. 474 00:33:24,967 --> 00:33:27,879 Africa is crawling with British professors 475 00:33:28,047 --> 00:33:32,677 frantically trying to flog sociology courses to the natives. 476 00:33:32,847 --> 00:33:37,079 And India and the Middle East. Competition is cut-throat. 477 00:33:37,247 --> 00:33:41,559 Why not fill up vacancies with British undergraduates? 478 00:33:41,727 --> 00:33:44,878 I don't think that's awfully funny, Humphrey. 479 00:33:46,007 --> 00:33:51,035 - I wasn't trying to be funny. - Anything but home students! 480 00:33:51,207 --> 00:33:56,565 - Why? - We only get 500 a head for them. 481 00:33:56,727 --> 00:34:01,482 We'd have to take 400 to replace a mere 50 foreigners. 482 00:34:01,647 --> 00:34:06,118 The staff/student ratio would go from 1:10 to 1:34. 483 00:34:06,287 --> 00:34:11,566 We'd have classrooms, dormitories... like Wormwood Scrubs! 484 00:34:12,367 --> 00:34:15,120 Or the University of Sussex! 485 00:34:18,047 --> 00:34:23,246 The Master thinks the pictures may fetch £20-30,000. 486 00:34:23,407 --> 00:34:25,716 The pictures and silver together 487 00:34:25,887 --> 00:34:29,277 might just pay the mortgage interest. 488 00:34:29,447 --> 00:34:32,041 Dear, oh, dear! 489 00:34:32,207 --> 00:34:36,723 Or we could get the Government to treat us as an exception. 490 00:34:36,887 --> 00:34:39,560 Interestingly, Humphrey, 491 00:34:39,727 --> 00:34:44,881 it seems to be your Minister who has the authority. 492 00:34:48,967 --> 00:34:54,280 How might one persuade a Minister of the importance of Baillie College? 493 00:34:54,447 --> 00:34:58,565 Why not get him down to a High Table dinner? 494 00:34:58,727 --> 00:35:03,676 Is he of the intellectual calibre to understand our case? 495 00:35:04,567 --> 00:35:06,797 Oh, yes! 496 00:35:08,607 --> 00:35:10,518 It's intelligible to anyone 497 00:35:10,687 --> 00:35:13,804 with the intellectual calibre of Winnie the Pooh! 498 00:35:13,967 --> 00:35:15,764 Quite! 499 00:35:15,927 --> 00:35:20,921 And Hacker is of the intellectual calibre of Winnie the Pooh? 500 00:35:22,367 --> 00:35:24,164 Oh, yes! 501 00:35:25,167 --> 00:35:27,078 On his day. 502 00:35:30,327 --> 00:35:32,636 - Morning, Minister. - Morning, Humphrey. 503 00:35:32,807 --> 00:35:34,604 Two things, Minister. 504 00:35:34,767 --> 00:35:40,205 Firstly, the departmental recommendations for the honours list. 505 00:35:40,367 --> 00:35:43,564 - The honours list again! - Yes, Minister. 506 00:35:43,727 --> 00:35:48,323 - Let's leave that for the moment. - We can't leave it, Minister. 507 00:35:48,487 --> 00:35:51,797 - It's getting near the five weeks. - Five weeks? 508 00:35:51,967 --> 00:35:54,925 All recipients are notified five weeks before. 509 00:35:55,087 --> 00:35:57,157 It gives them time to refuse. 510 00:35:57,327 --> 00:36:00,922 When did a civil servant last refuse an honour?! 511 00:36:01,087 --> 00:36:03,840 Somebody in the Treasury refused a knighthood. 512 00:36:04,007 --> 00:36:07,443 - When? - I think it was 1496. 513 00:36:08,087 --> 00:36:11,204 - Why? - He'd already got one. 514 00:36:11,367 --> 00:36:14,598 - If you've approved the list... - Humphrey... 515 00:36:14,767 --> 00:36:18,077 ...did you know that 20% of honours go to civil servants? 516 00:36:18,247 --> 00:36:21,045 A fitting tribute to their devotion to duty. 517 00:36:21,207 --> 00:36:23,277 That's what they get paid for. 518 00:36:23,447 --> 00:36:27,326 The rest of us have to do something special to get an honour. 519 00:36:27,487 --> 00:36:32,356 They work for years with the mentally handicapped to get an MBE. 520 00:36:32,527 --> 00:36:35,758 Your knighthoods simply come up with the rations. 521 00:36:35,927 --> 00:36:39,761 Minister, her Majesty's civil servants spend their lives 522 00:36:39,927 --> 00:36:45,365 working for a modest wage and at the end retire into obscurity. 523 00:36:45,527 --> 00:36:49,486 Honours are a small reward for a lifetime of loyal, 524 00:36:49,647 --> 00:36:54,880 self-effacing discretion and devoted service to the nation. 525 00:36:55,047 --> 00:36:57,402 - "A modest wage"? - Alas, yes. 526 00:36:57,567 --> 00:37:00,877 You get over £30,000 a year! 527 00:37:01,047 --> 00:37:05,757 - That's £7,000 more than I get. - But still relatively modest. 528 00:37:05,927 --> 00:37:08,805 Relative to whom? 529 00:37:08,967 --> 00:37:11,322 Elizabeth Taylor, for example. 530 00:37:12,127 --> 00:37:14,687 You are not relative to Elizabeth Taylor. 531 00:37:15,207 --> 00:37:17,801 There are important differences. 532 00:37:17,967 --> 00:37:21,596 Indeed, yes. She didn't get a first at Oxford. 533 00:37:21,767 --> 00:37:23,803 And retire into obscurity?! 534 00:37:23,967 --> 00:37:29,087 You take a massive pension and become directors of oil companies. 535 00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:31,283 But very obscure directors. 536 00:37:31,447 --> 00:37:35,759 You're in no danger of the sack. In industry, you get the boot. 537 00:37:35,927 --> 00:37:39,078 In the civil service, if you screw up, I get the boot! 538 00:37:39,247 --> 00:37:42,922 - Very droll, Minister. The list... - No, Humphrey. 539 00:37:43,087 --> 00:37:47,444 I'll not approve any honour to any civil servant who hasn't earned it. 540 00:37:48,287 --> 00:37:51,643 - What do you mean, "earned it"? - I mean "earned it". 541 00:37:51,807 --> 00:37:56,642 - Done something to deserve it. - But that's unheard of! 542 00:37:57,167 --> 00:38:02,195 My new policy is to withhold all honours from civil servants 543 00:38:02,367 --> 00:38:07,919 who do not make a cut in their budgets of 5% per year. 544 00:38:09,847 --> 00:38:12,156 Your silence indicates approval? 545 00:38:12,327 --> 00:38:16,286 It does not! Where did you get that preposterous idea? 546 00:38:17,087 --> 00:38:18,440 It... 547 00:38:21,727 --> 00:38:26,721 ...just came to me. - It's ridiculous! Unheard of! 548 00:38:26,887 --> 00:38:29,447 The whole idea is... It's... 549 00:38:29,607 --> 00:38:32,644 It strikes at the very roots of... 550 00:38:32,807 --> 00:38:35,401 It's the beginning of the end! 551 00:38:35,567 --> 00:38:39,799 The thin end of the wedge! A Bennite solution! 552 00:38:39,967 --> 00:38:42,561 What next? Abolition of the monarchy? 553 00:38:42,727 --> 00:38:44,365 Don't be absurd. 554 00:38:44,527 --> 00:38:47,803 The system has worked so well in the past. 555 00:38:47,967 --> 00:38:49,286 It hasn't. 556 00:38:49,447 --> 00:38:53,679 - Give it a fair trial. - I thought you might say that... 557 00:38:53,847 --> 00:39:00,605 The Most Noble Order of the Garter was founded in 1348 by Edward III. 558 00:39:00,767 --> 00:39:03,679 It's at the end of its trial period now. 559 00:39:03,847 --> 00:39:08,602 Minister, if you block honours pending economies, 560 00:39:08,767 --> 00:39:12,237 you might create a dangerous precedent. 561 00:39:12,407 --> 00:39:17,561 If we do the right thing now, we'll have to do the right thing next time? 562 00:39:17,727 --> 00:39:20,958 - Nothing would get done at all! - On the contrary. 563 00:39:21,127 --> 00:39:25,325 - Many things must be done, but... ...nothing done for the first time! 564 00:39:25,487 --> 00:39:26,806 No, Minister! 565 00:39:26,967 --> 00:39:32,758 I'm fully seized of your aims, and I'll try to put them into practice. 566 00:39:32,927 --> 00:39:34,246 To that end, 567 00:39:34,407 --> 00:39:38,559 I recommend we set up a committee with broad terms of reference, 568 00:39:38,727 --> 00:39:42,561 so we're in a position to think through the various implications 569 00:39:42,727 --> 00:39:45,878 and decide based on long-term considerations 570 00:39:46,047 --> 00:39:50,120 rather than rush prematurely into precipitate and ill-conceived actions 571 00:39:50,287 --> 00:39:54,075 which might have unforeseen repercussions. 572 00:39:55,007 --> 00:39:57,646 You mean "no"? 573 00:39:57,807 --> 00:40:02,642 I mean, as far as one can see, in the fullness of time... 574 00:40:02,807 --> 00:40:05,480 No, no, no, Humphrey. 575 00:40:05,647 --> 00:40:07,797 You know me: Action now! 576 00:40:07,967 --> 00:40:10,561 (MUTTERS) Action now. 577 00:40:10,727 --> 00:40:13,719 Nobody in their right mind can want honours. 578 00:40:13,887 --> 00:40:17,004 They encourage sycophancy, snobbery, jealousy, 579 00:40:17,167 --> 00:40:20,204 and civil servants shouldn't get them all! 580 00:40:20,367 --> 00:40:24,804 - But Minister... - No, no! I'm sorry. I have decided. 581 00:40:24,967 --> 00:40:27,800 - Your other point? - Other point? 582 00:40:27,967 --> 00:40:30,800 - You had two. - Did I? 583 00:40:30,967 --> 00:40:34,562 Yes, I'm sorry. The shock! 584 00:40:35,247 --> 00:40:40,924 Yesterday, I had representations from Baillie College, Oxford. 585 00:40:41,087 --> 00:40:46,559 Grants for overseas students... They'll lose millions a year. 586 00:40:46,727 --> 00:40:49,878 They must just take more British students. 587 00:40:50,047 --> 00:40:53,801 Nothing would please them more, but you see... 588 00:40:53,967 --> 00:40:56,845 ...Baillie has many foreign students, 589 00:40:57,007 --> 00:40:59,077 and there could be repercussions 590 00:40:59,247 --> 00:41:02,717 at the schools of tropical medicine, international law, 591 00:41:02,887 --> 00:41:06,004 and the Arabic department may have to close down. 592 00:41:06,167 --> 00:41:09,762 We can't educate foreigners at the taxpayer's expense. 593 00:41:09,927 --> 00:41:11,679 Not just foreigners. 594 00:41:11,847 --> 00:41:17,285 If the diplomatic service had nowhere to immerse its recruits, 595 00:41:17,447 --> 00:41:22,282 the results could be catastrophic, with a pro-Israeli Foreign Office! 596 00:41:23,047 --> 00:41:25,607 What would happen to our oil policy? 597 00:41:25,767 --> 00:41:28,486 Its recruits must go elsewhere. 598 00:41:28,647 --> 00:41:31,081 Where else would they learn Arabic? 599 00:41:31,247 --> 00:41:33,283 Arabia? 600 00:41:33,447 --> 00:41:36,120 Baillie College has an outstanding record. 601 00:41:36,287 --> 00:41:39,836 - It's filled our jails for years. - Jails? 602 00:41:40,007 --> 00:41:43,841 Yes. The letters "JB" are the finest honour in the Commonwealth. 603 00:41:44,007 --> 00:41:47,602 - "JB"? - "Jailed by the British". 604 00:41:47,767 --> 00:41:50,679 Gandhi, Nkrumah, Makarios, 605 00:41:50,847 --> 00:41:54,840 Ben-Gurion, Kenyatta, Nehru, Mugabe. 606 00:41:55,007 --> 00:42:00,081 The list of leaders is endless and contains several of our students. 607 00:42:00,247 --> 00:42:02,203 "Our students"? 608 00:42:02,367 --> 00:42:06,406 Humphrey... which college did you go to? 609 00:42:06,567 --> 00:42:08,956 That is quite beside the point. 610 00:42:09,127 --> 00:42:12,119 I like being beside the point. 611 00:42:12,287 --> 00:42:15,802 Humour me, Humphrey. Which college did you go to? 612 00:42:15,967 --> 00:42:19,676 Was it Baillie, by any strange coincidence? 613 00:42:19,847 --> 00:42:25,399 It so happens... I am a Baillie man, but that has nothing to do with it! 614 00:42:25,567 --> 00:42:27,398 No, of course not. 615 00:42:27,567 --> 00:42:29,797 Perish the thought. Naughty. 616 00:42:30,767 --> 00:42:32,962 Yes? The division, Minister. 617 00:42:33,127 --> 00:42:36,437 That rather settles it. No more time. 618 00:42:36,607 --> 00:42:39,075 Am I voting "aye" or "no"? 619 00:42:39,247 --> 00:42:42,523 - "No". It's a... - I don't want to know what it is. 620 00:42:42,687 --> 00:42:46,680 I don't want to go through the wrong door. 621 00:42:49,047 --> 00:42:50,958 (KNOCK AT DOOR) 622 00:42:54,927 --> 00:42:56,246 Arnold? 623 00:42:56,407 --> 00:42:59,001 Humphrey! Do sit down. 624 00:43:00,247 --> 00:43:03,205 Hope you don't mind my dragging you here. 625 00:43:03,367 --> 00:43:07,997 - No, please. - I was worried about your Minister. 626 00:43:08,647 --> 00:43:11,480 Linking honours to economies. 627 00:43:11,647 --> 00:43:14,161 That? A lot of nonsense. 628 00:43:14,327 --> 00:43:17,717 Good. You mean it's not true? 629 00:43:18,887 --> 00:43:24,166 Not exactly. That is, he did just mention it. 630 00:43:24,847 --> 00:43:28,442 - But... - But what? 631 00:43:28,607 --> 00:43:32,839 I can't find any effective arguments against it. 632 00:43:33,047 --> 00:43:35,800 - It's the thin end of the wedge. - That's what I said. 633 00:43:35,967 --> 00:43:38,800 - A Bennite solution. - I said that. 634 00:43:38,967 --> 00:43:41,527 - Where will it end? - That's what I said. 635 00:43:42,167 --> 00:43:45,716 No, it's intolerable, but... 636 00:43:47,287 --> 00:43:48,959 ...irresistible. 637 00:43:49,127 --> 00:43:53,405 I'm not reprimanding you, I don't know the facts well enough. 638 00:43:53,567 --> 00:43:57,958 I'd like your assurance that he won't be putting it into practice. 639 00:43:58,127 --> 00:44:00,197 I certainly hope he won't. 640 00:44:00,367 --> 00:44:03,484 I'm not sure that hopes are good enough. 641 00:44:03,647 --> 00:44:08,402 If he applied it to your department, the contagion would spread! 642 00:44:08,567 --> 00:44:10,285 Every department! 643 00:44:11,087 --> 00:44:16,480 - Presumably, we can count on you? - I shall certainly try. 644 00:44:18,807 --> 00:44:23,517 - But... it's rather tricky. - You know what you're doing. 645 00:44:23,687 --> 00:44:28,477 This could cause people to reflect on your soundness. 646 00:44:28,647 --> 00:44:31,605 I've no doubts about you myself, but... 647 00:44:31,767 --> 00:44:36,283 - I thought a chat would be useful. - Absolutely. Thank you. 648 00:44:36,447 --> 00:44:40,645 By the way, I had our college master on the phone. 649 00:44:40,807 --> 00:44:43,799 - He said you dined at Baillie. - Right! 650 00:44:44,367 --> 00:44:49,077 I assured them your Minister would treat them as a special case. 651 00:44:50,967 --> 00:44:53,561 Yes... Yes... 652 00:44:53,727 --> 00:44:57,686 I've got the Minister coming to a benefactors' dinner. 653 00:44:57,847 --> 00:45:00,202 Good. Sound man. 654 00:45:00,367 --> 00:45:05,122 I must be getting over to Number 10. Thanks for dropping in. 655 00:45:05,287 --> 00:45:06,606 Pleasure... 656 00:45:07,447 --> 00:45:09,358 ...Arnold. 657 00:45:15,527 --> 00:45:20,282 Sir Humphrey saw the Cabinet Secretary and got the most frightful wigging. 658 00:45:20,447 --> 00:45:25,362 Really tore him off a strip because of your economies-honours scheme. 659 00:45:25,527 --> 00:45:29,805 - Your scheme. - We've been through all that. 660 00:45:29,967 --> 00:45:32,356 Sorry. My scheme. 661 00:45:33,327 --> 00:45:36,000 Why wig someone as high up as Humphrey? 662 00:45:36,167 --> 00:45:39,842 Normally, it's civilised, but this time it was no-holds-barred. 663 00:45:40,007 --> 00:45:43,556 Sir Arnold said he wasn't actually reprimanding him. 664 00:45:43,727 --> 00:45:46,525 - Bad as that, was it? - Yes. 665 00:45:46,687 --> 00:45:51,556 He suggested some people might not think he was sound. 666 00:45:51,727 --> 00:45:54,082 - A real punch-up! - Indeed. 667 00:45:54,247 --> 00:45:58,684 What has Sir Arnold to fear? He has all the honours he could want. 668 00:45:58,847 --> 00:46:01,281 - He has his "G". - "G"? 669 00:46:01,447 --> 00:46:05,281 - You get your "G" after your "K". - You speak in riddles. 670 00:46:05,447 --> 00:46:09,679 First you get the CMG, then the KCMG and the GCMG, 671 00:46:09,847 --> 00:46:13,362 the Command of the Order of St Michael and St George, 672 00:46:13,527 --> 00:46:15,802 Knight Grand Cross of St George. 673 00:46:15,967 --> 00:46:20,404 In the service, CMG stands for "Call Me God". 674 00:46:20,567 --> 00:46:24,355 And KCMG for "Kindly Call Me God". 675 00:46:25,807 --> 00:46:27,445 And GCMG? 676 00:46:27,607 --> 00:46:30,599 "God Calls Me God". 677 00:46:31,607 --> 00:46:35,680 Why should Sir Arnold worry? He has his full quota of honours. 678 00:46:35,847 --> 00:46:37,166 Nowhere near! 679 00:46:37,327 --> 00:46:40,717 There's a peerage, the CH, the OM, the Knight of the Thistle... 680 00:46:40,887 --> 00:46:43,162 Knight of the Thistle? Who for? 681 00:46:43,327 --> 00:46:47,764 - Scotsmen and donkeys?! - There's a distinction. 682 00:46:47,927 --> 00:46:51,363 You haven't met the Scottish Nationalists! 683 00:46:51,527 --> 00:46:56,521 - How do they award the Thistle? - A committee sits on it. 684 00:46:59,847 --> 00:47:04,363 Does Humphrey think I'll change university policy 685 00:47:04,527 --> 00:47:06,438 over High Table dinner? 686 00:47:06,607 --> 00:47:10,600 I believe Baillie College give a very good dinner, Minister. 687 00:47:11,287 --> 00:47:16,042 - How much further? - A few minutes. The M40's good. 688 00:47:17,927 --> 00:47:20,521 So's the M4... 689 00:47:20,687 --> 00:47:24,236 Why did we get two really good roads to Oxford 690 00:47:24,407 --> 00:47:30,243 before any to Southampton or Dover or any of the ports? 691 00:47:30,407 --> 00:47:34,446 Nearly all our Permanent Secretaries went to Oxford, Minister, 692 00:47:34,607 --> 00:47:39,283 and most Oxford colleges give very good dinners. 693 00:47:39,447 --> 00:47:42,405 - The Cabinet allow that? - Certainly not. 694 00:47:42,567 --> 00:47:45,957 They said no motorway to take civil servants to Oxford, 695 00:47:46,127 --> 00:47:49,676 unless there was one to take Ministers hunting in the shires. 696 00:47:49,847 --> 00:47:53,965 That's why the M1 stopped in Leicestershire! 697 00:47:54,127 --> 00:47:56,687 Oh, come! 698 00:47:59,127 --> 00:48:02,403 What about the M11 just completed? 699 00:48:02,567 --> 00:48:05,081 Doesn't Cambridge give as good dinners? 700 00:48:05,247 --> 00:48:07,807 Yes, of course, but it's been years 701 00:48:07,967 --> 00:48:12,722 since Transport had a Permanent Secretary from Cambridge. 702 00:48:14,647 --> 00:48:16,365 (CHATTER) 703 00:48:26,087 --> 00:48:30,160 For a college on the edge of bankruptcy, not a bad dinner! 704 00:48:30,327 --> 00:48:33,683 The Fitzwalter Dinner is paid for by endowment, 705 00:48:33,847 --> 00:48:36,645 a great 16th-century benefactor. 706 00:48:36,807 --> 00:48:41,835 Most nights we eat Mother's Pride and processed cheese. 707 00:48:42,007 --> 00:48:45,363 You need a 20th-century benefactor. 708 00:48:45,527 --> 00:48:49,964 - Interesting you should say that. - Why? 709 00:48:50,127 --> 00:48:52,482 Benefactors are few and far between. 710 00:48:52,647 --> 00:48:57,323 Isaac Wolfson is only the second man to have a college named after him 711 00:48:57,487 --> 00:49:00,047 - at Oxford and Cambridge. - Who's the first? 712 00:49:00,207 --> 00:49:02,084 Jesus. 713 00:49:02,247 --> 00:49:05,159 - Jesus? - Jesus... Christ. 714 00:49:07,847 --> 00:49:10,486 Some of our most revered benefactors are men 715 00:49:10,647 --> 00:49:14,162 who saved the college from the depredations of Government. 716 00:49:14,327 --> 00:49:17,842 Their names are remembered and hallowed for centuries. 717 00:49:18,007 --> 00:49:21,602 - It's a sort of immortality. - Really? 718 00:49:21,767 --> 00:49:24,520 What did these benefactors do? 719 00:49:24,687 --> 00:49:29,317 Take Sir William de Vere, his coat of arms are there and in chapel. 720 00:49:29,487 --> 00:49:33,958 He diverted the baronial army away from Baillie in the 15th century. 721 00:49:34,127 --> 00:49:38,086 He had the soldiers billetted at St George's College. 722 00:49:38,247 --> 00:49:43,719 - I didn't know there was a St George's. - There isn't. Not since that. 723 00:49:43,887 --> 00:49:49,120 Then, there's George Monkton, whom Monkton Quad's named after. 724 00:49:49,287 --> 00:49:53,485 He stopped Cromwell melting all the college silver down 725 00:49:53,647 --> 00:49:55,399 to pay for his army. 726 00:49:55,607 --> 00:50:00,476 He told them the silver was better quality at Trinity, Cambridge! 727 00:50:01,447 --> 00:50:05,838 Now, it looks like there'll be no college left to remember. 728 00:50:06,007 --> 00:50:11,718 Unless we can solve the problem of overseas students. 729 00:50:11,887 --> 00:50:13,479 (MURMURS OF AGREEMENT) 730 00:50:13,647 --> 00:50:17,242 Well, of course, one would like to... 731 00:50:17,407 --> 00:50:18,965 ...help oneself. 732 00:50:19,127 --> 00:50:22,085 Er... help one's friends. 733 00:50:22,247 --> 00:50:24,715 Help the college. 734 00:50:24,887 --> 00:50:28,721 - Nothing to do with the honour. - Of course not! Ignoble thought. 735 00:50:28,887 --> 00:50:32,880 The Minister believes it's a politician's duty to help others. 736 00:50:33,047 --> 00:50:35,686 (SLURRING) Absolutely. Name of the game. 737 00:50:35,847 --> 00:50:39,760 That's why we go into politics, to help others. 738 00:50:40,847 --> 00:50:43,998 I'm an idealist, nothing to do with the honour. 739 00:50:44,167 --> 00:50:47,557 Most of the honour comes after you're dead. 740 00:50:47,727 --> 00:50:51,640 Not much satisfaction from having your name on the silver sconce 741 00:50:51,807 --> 00:50:54,879 when you're six feet under! 742 00:50:57,207 --> 00:51:01,678 Incidentally, Master, to change the subject completely... 743 00:51:03,967 --> 00:51:07,039 ...when do you award your honorary doctorates? 744 00:51:07,207 --> 00:51:11,439 The ceremony's not for a few months, but we have to decide in two weeks. 745 00:51:11,607 --> 00:51:14,326 - Doctorate? - Aren't they decided? 746 00:51:14,487 --> 00:51:17,638 There is one Doctorate of Law still to be decided. 747 00:51:17,807 --> 00:51:22,517 We're wondering whether it should go to a judge or someone in Government. 748 00:51:22,687 --> 00:51:25,155 (SLURS) Judge?! 749 00:51:26,887 --> 00:51:31,005 You don't want to make a judge a Doctor of Law! 750 00:51:31,167 --> 00:51:34,955 The politicians make the laws and pass the laws. 751 00:51:35,127 --> 00:51:39,359 If it wasn't for politicians, the judges wouldn't be able to judge. 752 00:51:39,527 --> 00:51:42,564 There'd be no laws to judge! 753 00:51:42,727 --> 00:51:44,604 - Yes, indeed. - Quite! 754 00:51:44,767 --> 00:51:48,442 They'd have nothing to do. Queues of unemployed judges... 755 00:51:48,607 --> 00:51:51,326 ...in silly wigs! 756 00:51:53,407 --> 00:51:55,477 It's all right for judges. 757 00:51:55,647 --> 00:52:00,437 They don't have to suck up to TV producers, lie to journalists. 758 00:52:00,607 --> 00:52:04,395 They don't have to pretend to like their Cabinet colleagues. 759 00:52:04,567 --> 00:52:06,683 I'll tell you something else... 760 00:52:07,327 --> 00:52:11,957 ...if judges had to put up with some of my colleagues, 761 00:52:12,127 --> 00:52:15,836 they'd bring capital punishment back tomorrow! 762 00:52:16,727 --> 00:52:18,365 Bloody good job, too! 763 00:52:18,527 --> 00:52:20,961 I'll tell you another thing... 764 00:52:21,127 --> 00:52:25,006 ...I can't send him to prison. 765 00:52:26,087 --> 00:52:28,282 Can't send him to prison. 766 00:52:28,447 --> 00:52:33,760 If I were a judge, I could whiz old Humpy off to the Scrubs. 767 00:52:34,367 --> 00:52:37,643 Feet wouldn't touch. Clang bang! See you in three years. 768 00:52:37,807 --> 00:52:43,120 One third remission for good conduct. I can't do that! 769 00:52:44,407 --> 00:52:46,523 I have to listen to him. 770 00:52:46,687 --> 00:52:49,406 Oh, God! 771 00:52:50,127 --> 00:52:53,005 On and on and on! 772 00:52:53,167 --> 00:52:57,957 Some of his sentences are longer than Judge Jeffreys'! 773 00:52:58,127 --> 00:53:01,802 No, no, no. Politicians are much more deserving. 774 00:53:01,967 --> 00:53:05,277 You don't want to give your doctory honourates to judges. 775 00:53:05,447 --> 00:53:07,677 Definitely not! 776 00:53:07,847 --> 00:53:10,964 Beautifully argued, Minister. 777 00:53:11,127 --> 00:53:15,166 I see now... we shouldn't give it to a judge. 778 00:53:15,607 --> 00:53:19,839 - You put the case most expertly. - Almost like a Doctor of Law. 779 00:53:20,007 --> 00:53:23,556 I can see you there now in the Sheldonian, 780 00:53:23,727 --> 00:53:26,764 standing there in those magnificent crimson robes, 781 00:53:26,927 --> 00:53:31,796 receiving your doctorate in front of an assembly of eminent scholars. 782 00:53:31,967 --> 00:53:34,481 (HUMPHREY) Wonderful. (MASTER) Marvellous. 783 00:53:34,647 --> 00:53:37,719 How funny you should say that. 784 00:53:37,887 --> 00:53:41,402 I was just thinking the same thing. 785 00:53:46,767 --> 00:53:49,327 Morning, Minister. Morning, Bernard. 786 00:53:50,527 --> 00:53:53,678 Most enjoyable dinner last night. 787 00:53:53,847 --> 00:53:59,126 I wonder if we could have a private chat. Forgive us, Bernard. 788 00:53:59,287 --> 00:54:02,165 Minister... 789 00:54:02,327 --> 00:54:05,956 ...the master of Baillie has asked me to enquire 790 00:54:06,127 --> 00:54:10,120 whether you'd accept an honorary doctorate of law. 791 00:54:10,927 --> 00:54:12,645 Me? Good heavens! 792 00:54:12,807 --> 00:54:15,844 - It's... not an offer. - No, of course not. 793 00:54:16,007 --> 00:54:20,159 Of course, in view of your well-known hostility to honours... 794 00:54:20,327 --> 00:54:23,478 Don't be silly. This is quite different. 795 00:54:23,647 --> 00:54:25,558 Not entirely, Minister. 796 00:54:25,727 --> 00:54:30,721 It's a matter of accepting it without doing anything to deserve it, 797 00:54:30,887 --> 00:54:35,278 as you might put it in your refreshingly blunt fashion. 798 00:54:35,447 --> 00:54:38,041 I'm a Cabinet Minister! 799 00:54:38,207 --> 00:54:41,995 - Isn't that what you're paid for? - Yes, but... No! 800 00:54:42,687 --> 00:54:44,200 Yes, but... 801 00:54:44,367 --> 00:54:49,282 I can't refuse a vote of confidence in the Government, not just oneself. 802 00:54:49,447 --> 00:54:53,759 No, quite. As I say, it's not certain, it's... 803 00:54:56,407 --> 00:54:59,319 (HUMPHREY HUMS TO HIMSELF) 804 00:54:59,487 --> 00:55:02,285 Humphrey, to change the subject completely, 805 00:55:02,447 --> 00:55:06,998 I'd like to do what I can for Baillie in this overseas students business. 806 00:55:07,167 --> 00:55:08,759 Oh, good! 807 00:55:08,927 --> 00:55:12,363 But wouldn't I need a pretext... a reason? 808 00:55:12,527 --> 00:55:14,438 No, Minister, no problem. 809 00:55:14,607 --> 00:55:18,566 The Palace has been under pressure from certain African leaders. 810 00:55:18,727 --> 00:55:20,797 We can't embarrass the Palace, 811 00:55:20,967 --> 00:55:25,358 so we'll redesignate Baillie as a Commonwealth Education Centre. 812 00:55:26,367 --> 00:55:33,079 But where am I to find the money? I'm set on 5% cuts across the board. 813 00:55:33,247 --> 00:55:36,398 If that's achieved, anything's possible. 814 00:55:36,567 --> 00:55:40,276 - The committee are waiting. - Very well, show them in. 815 00:55:40,447 --> 00:55:44,998 I suppose we could achieve the cuts in this department, 816 00:55:45,167 --> 00:55:50,321 if the absurd idea of linking honours to cuts were to be shelved. 817 00:55:52,407 --> 00:55:54,921 - I see. - Yes... 818 00:55:57,407 --> 00:56:01,002 (HUMPHREY) Thank you, Bernard. (HACKER) Morning. 819 00:56:01,167 --> 00:56:04,876 Now, minutes of the previous meeting? 820 00:56:05,047 --> 00:56:07,959 Matters arising: Accommodation. 821 00:56:08,127 --> 00:56:09,765 Oh, yes! 822 00:56:09,927 --> 00:56:15,320 I'm happy to be able to tell you that we have found a 5% cut, 823 00:56:15,487 --> 00:56:17,876 by selling an office in High Wycombe. 824 00:56:18,047 --> 00:56:19,878 - Oh, really? - Yes. 825 00:56:20,047 --> 00:56:22,083 - Yes, very good. - Yes. 826 00:56:22,247 --> 00:56:23,646 Stationery acquisition? 827 00:56:23,807 --> 00:56:28,562 We've discovered a new stock control system to reduce expenditure. 828 00:56:28,727 --> 00:56:33,118 - By how much? - About 5%, wasn't it? 829 00:56:33,767 --> 00:56:36,565 Excellent! Parks and Forestry? 830 00:56:36,727 --> 00:56:40,766 If we delay the new computers, we can make a saving. 831 00:56:40,927 --> 00:56:42,804 - By how much? - Yes...? 832 00:56:42,967 --> 00:56:45,435 - About 5%. - Yes, about 5%. 833 00:56:45,607 --> 00:56:48,997 - Really? - That cuts data processing, too. 834 00:56:49,167 --> 00:56:51,761 - By...? - By... 835 00:56:51,927 --> 00:56:54,316 By about 5%. 836 00:56:54,487 --> 00:56:57,047 - This is most satisfying. - Yes. 837 00:56:57,207 --> 00:56:59,880 Incidentally, while I think of it, 838 00:57:00,047 --> 00:57:05,679 have you finished with the list for the honours secretary? 839 00:57:05,847 --> 00:57:08,680 Yes, Humphrey. No problem there. 840 00:57:08,847 --> 00:57:11,236 Bernard will give it to you. 841 00:57:11,407 --> 00:57:15,116 - Thank you, Bernard. - All right, Humphrey? 842 00:57:15,287 --> 00:57:18,040 Yes, Doctor... er, Minister. 843 00:58:45,486 --> 00:58:49,320 Minister, there's something in the press you should see. 844 00:58:49,486 --> 00:58:52,796 - About me? - I'm afraid it's in Private Eye. 845 00:58:52,966 --> 00:58:58,245 - Private Eye? - Yes... They're exposing something. 846 00:58:59,126 --> 00:59:02,755 Not that character reference I gave for Dr Savundra? 847 00:59:02,926 --> 00:59:05,963 - That party at Poulson's? - I didn't know about those. 848 00:59:06,126 --> 00:59:10,517 No, that's the thing they make up in that squalid little rag! 849 00:59:10,686 --> 00:59:14,474 - What is it? - Perhaps you'd better read it. 850 00:59:18,406 --> 00:59:20,920 - Good God! - Frightful, isn't it? 851 00:59:21,926 --> 00:59:25,157 - May I come in, Minister? - Listen to this. 852 00:59:25,326 --> 00:59:29,239 What's that? Oh, Private Eye? Splendid! 853 00:59:29,406 --> 00:59:32,637 "The saga of the top secret Guthrie Report, 854 00:59:32,806 --> 00:59:37,118 "revealed to the Eye last week, continues to embarrass Ministers. 855 00:59:37,286 --> 00:59:41,279 "It seems one of the present Cabinet subjected to phone-tapping, 856 00:59:41,446 --> 00:59:44,722 "bugging and 24-hour surveillance while in opposition 857 00:59:44,886 --> 00:59:48,196 "was none other than the egregious Jim Hacker." 858 00:59:48,366 --> 00:59:50,834 What's "egregious" mean? 859 00:59:51,006 --> 00:59:53,964 I think it means "outstanding". 860 00:59:54,126 --> 00:59:55,844 Oh...? 861 00:59:56,846 --> 00:59:59,599 In one way or another. 862 00:59:59,766 --> 01:00:05,318 "...Jim Hacker, whose department administers 23,000 other administrators. 863 01:00:05,486 --> 01:00:09,195 "Ironically, it is egregious Jim's department that is now responsible 864 01:00:09,366 --> 01:00:13,678 "for supplying all the government's computerised bugging equipment. 865 01:00:13,846 --> 01:00:19,239 "Presumably, this makes him the government's chief bugger." 866 01:00:19,406 --> 01:00:20,725 Wonderful! 867 01:00:20,886 --> 01:00:23,161 - Is this true? - Which, Minister? 868 01:00:23,326 --> 01:00:27,160 That I was under surveillance and am now responsible for bugging. 869 01:00:27,326 --> 01:00:31,285 Surely, you don't believe what you read in that squalid little rag. 870 01:00:31,446 --> 01:00:35,359 - Never mind. Is it true? - Don't take it too seriously. 871 01:00:35,526 --> 01:00:38,882 Well, I do! This says I was under total surveillance. 872 01:00:39,046 --> 01:00:43,562 An MP and free citizen! It cuts at the very heart of democracy! 873 01:00:43,726 --> 01:00:46,365 It contravenes human rights. 874 01:00:46,526 --> 01:00:47,879 Oh, yes... 875 01:00:48,046 --> 01:00:52,358 Surveillance is indispensable in the battle against organised crime. 876 01:00:52,526 --> 01:00:55,916 You're not describing politicians as organised crime? 877 01:00:56,086 --> 01:00:58,805 Disorganised crime, too, of course! 878 01:00:58,966 --> 01:01:03,562 Humphrey! I once wrote a leader on this as editor of "Reform" 879 01:01:03,726 --> 01:01:08,083 and started a nationwide petition against bureaucratic busybodies, 880 01:01:08,246 --> 01:01:10,043 bugging and phone-tapping. 881 01:01:10,206 --> 01:01:14,438 Now I learn from Private Eye, Humphrey, not from you, 882 01:01:14,606 --> 01:01:17,837 that I'm responsible for it, and you never told me. 883 01:01:18,006 --> 01:01:20,440 You didn't ask. 884 01:01:20,606 --> 01:01:25,555 Thank God for a free press and for one open, fearless journal! 885 01:01:25,726 --> 01:01:31,596 - You said it was a squalid rag. - Sharpen up your antennae. 886 01:01:31,766 --> 01:01:35,554 Learn to adapt more flexibly to a developing situation. 887 01:01:35,726 --> 01:01:37,682 I see. I'm sorry. 888 01:01:37,846 --> 01:01:41,998 Where are the transcripts of these bugged conversations? 889 01:01:42,166 --> 01:01:44,760 They were put into a report. 890 01:01:44,926 --> 01:01:47,963 - Who got these reports? - The Home Secretary gets them. 891 01:01:48,126 --> 01:01:50,686 Gets them? Gets them? 892 01:01:50,846 --> 01:01:54,202 Not about you, Minister. Not now. 893 01:01:54,366 --> 01:01:58,405 Now he'll be getting reports about Her Majesty's opposition. 894 01:01:59,286 --> 01:02:03,359 - Who gives them to him? - Ml5, presumably. 895 01:02:03,526 --> 01:02:07,041 - You seem very calm about all this. - Yes, Minister. 896 01:02:07,206 --> 01:02:11,722 I think it's horrifying, a distinguished citizen - 897 01:02:11,886 --> 01:02:16,004 if I may say so, an extremely distinguished British citizen - 898 01:02:16,166 --> 01:02:19,158 who's given his life's service to his country, 899 01:02:19,326 --> 01:02:23,160 finds these faceless bureaucrats have listened to his every word. 900 01:02:23,326 --> 01:02:28,195 All his phone calls. His rows with his wife and daughter. 901 01:02:28,366 --> 01:02:31,802 His private arrangements with his accountant! Not that I...! 902 01:02:31,966 --> 01:02:34,639 - No, quite so. - Well, why, Humphrey? 903 01:02:34,806 --> 01:02:37,684 - Why surveillance or why you? - Both! 904 01:02:37,846 --> 01:02:41,759 - It's the same answer. - Why split it into two questions? 905 01:02:41,926 --> 01:02:45,680 I didn't want to risk answering a question you weren't asking. 906 01:02:45,846 --> 01:02:48,918 I'm asking you now. Why was I under surveillance? 907 01:02:49,086 --> 01:02:51,646 It's perfectly obvious. Do you mind? 908 01:02:51,806 --> 01:02:57,164 Before the election, it was rumoured you'd be appointed Defence Secretary. 909 01:02:57,326 --> 01:02:58,645 So? 910 01:02:58,806 --> 01:03:03,277 If the PM was giving you defence, in the national interest, 911 01:03:03,446 --> 01:03:08,201 that Ml5 must be satisfied you weren't a security risk. 912 01:03:08,366 --> 01:03:12,644 - My privacy was invaded! - Better than your country, Minister. 913 01:03:14,086 --> 01:03:16,759 Have you ever been under surveillance? 914 01:03:16,926 --> 01:03:19,759 - Me, Minister?! - You. 915 01:03:19,926 --> 01:03:22,724 I'm a civil servant! 916 01:03:23,446 --> 01:03:25,880 So were Burgess and MacLean. 917 01:03:26,046 --> 01:03:28,765 - Oh, well... - And Philby! 918 01:03:28,926 --> 01:03:31,156 They weren't Permanent Secretaries. 919 01:03:31,646 --> 01:03:37,243 One becomes a Permanent Secretary after a life of reliability and integrity. 920 01:03:37,406 --> 01:03:41,115 The rigorous selection procedures winnow out all 921 01:03:41,286 --> 01:03:44,756 but the most upright and honourable public servants. 922 01:03:44,926 --> 01:03:50,000 - And what about Ministers? - They have many dazzling qualities! 923 01:03:50,166 --> 01:03:52,919 Including...? 924 01:03:55,366 --> 01:04:01,077 Enviable intellectual suppleness and moral manoeuvrability. 925 01:04:01,246 --> 01:04:03,476 What are you trying to say? 926 01:04:03,646 --> 01:04:07,719 You can't trust them! Not you, of course, Minister. 927 01:04:07,886 --> 01:04:11,640 Ministers, unlike civil servants, are selected at random 928 01:04:11,806 --> 01:04:14,604 by prime ministerial whim, 929 01:04:14,766 --> 01:04:18,441 in recognition of dubious services rendered, 930 01:04:18,606 --> 01:04:22,440 or to avoid appointing someone of real ability. 931 01:04:23,766 --> 01:04:27,315 Not you, Minister! You certainly are to be trusted. 932 01:04:27,486 --> 01:04:32,241 You might almost be a civil servant yourself! 933 01:04:32,406 --> 01:04:35,398 - Is that a compliment? - Indeed. The ultimate compliment. 934 01:04:37,406 --> 01:04:40,079 Would you trust every Cabinet colleague 935 01:04:40,246 --> 01:04:42,840 never to betray a confidence? 936 01:04:44,006 --> 01:04:48,318 - And all the opposition front bench? - You must be joking! 937 01:04:48,486 --> 01:04:51,159 You were in the opposition at the time. 938 01:04:51,326 --> 01:04:55,319 Be that as it may, I have decided I'm going to stop it. 939 01:04:55,486 --> 01:05:01,197 - But this is a Home Office matter. - Nevertheless, I'll make it harder. 940 01:05:01,366 --> 01:05:05,996 If I'm responsible for bugging, I want some democratic safeguards. 941 01:05:06,166 --> 01:05:11,194 Are you about to suggest that people won't be put under surveillance 942 01:05:11,366 --> 01:05:15,279 until they've signed a form agreeing to it? 943 01:05:15,446 --> 01:05:21,078 No, we'll have a select committee to vet every application, 944 01:05:21,566 --> 01:05:26,401 and no surveillance to last over two weeks without a further application. 945 01:05:26,566 --> 01:05:30,798 Will you set the wheels in motion, please, Humphrey? 946 01:05:30,966 --> 01:05:32,957 Very well, Minister. 947 01:05:35,086 --> 01:05:38,396 Bernard, send a minute to each Cabinet member. 948 01:05:38,566 --> 01:05:42,275 I'll plant a question for a backbencher to ask. 949 01:05:42,446 --> 01:05:47,520 "Can you assure us no colleagues have ever been under surveillance?" 950 01:05:47,686 --> 01:05:51,315 - That should shake him. - It certainly will. 951 01:05:51,486 --> 01:05:55,559 Ask Walter Fowler of the Express to meet me for a drink. 952 01:05:55,726 --> 01:05:59,355 - What for, Minister? - First law of political indiscretion: 953 01:05:59,526 --> 01:06:02,757 Always have a drink before you leak. 954 01:06:11,766 --> 01:06:14,644 - Will it make a story? - Yes. 955 01:06:14,806 --> 01:06:18,765 "Minister fights for phone-tap safeguard." Yes! 956 01:06:18,926 --> 01:06:24,284 - Where will they run it? - High up on the home news page. 957 01:06:24,446 --> 01:06:28,359 - Not on page one? - Can I attribute it? 958 01:06:28,526 --> 01:06:31,563 - "Minister speaks out"? - No, no, no. 959 01:06:31,726 --> 01:06:37,119 Then, where did I get the story? I can't say, "Officially announced." 960 01:06:37,286 --> 01:06:39,925 "Government spokesman"? 961 01:06:41,806 --> 01:06:44,525 How about, "Sources close to Minister"? 962 01:06:44,686 --> 01:06:49,043 Hold on, I don't want everybody to know I told you! 963 01:06:49,206 --> 01:06:52,596 Couldn't you do, "Speculation is growing in Westminster"? 964 01:06:52,766 --> 01:06:54,757 A bit weak. 965 01:06:55,846 --> 01:06:57,484 "Unofficial spokesman"? 966 01:06:57,646 --> 01:07:00,683 Used that twice this week already! 967 01:07:00,846 --> 01:07:04,395 The Cabinet's leaking like a sieve, isn't it? 968 01:07:05,766 --> 01:07:10,635 Couldn't we attribute it to a leading member of the sieve... Cabinet? 969 01:07:10,806 --> 01:07:12,444 No... 970 01:07:14,246 --> 01:07:18,478 How would you like to be "an informed source"? 971 01:07:18,646 --> 01:07:21,285 OK. "Informed source." 972 01:07:21,446 --> 01:07:25,485 Quite a joke, isn't it, describing someone as "informed" 973 01:07:25,646 --> 01:07:29,639 when his Permanent Secretary is Sir Humphrey Appleby?! 974 01:07:35,326 --> 01:07:40,275 Everything we said on the phone, recorded and transcribed. 975 01:07:40,446 --> 01:07:43,961 - It's humiliating! - It is a little humiliating. 976 01:07:44,126 --> 01:07:48,916 That Ml5 know you talk at home the same as you talk in public. 977 01:07:49,086 --> 01:07:54,524 The gross national product, borrowing requirements, draft agendas... 978 01:07:54,686 --> 01:07:58,235 I didn't mean that! I meant our private talk. 979 01:07:58,406 --> 01:08:01,443 I hadn't thought of that..."Got the car keys?" 980 01:08:01,606 --> 01:08:06,521 "I thought you had them!" That'll bring the government down! 981 01:08:06,686 --> 01:08:10,474 - You're not taking it seriously. - What gives you that idea? 982 01:08:10,646 --> 01:08:14,798 They might've heard what we said... in bed! 983 01:08:15,646 --> 01:08:18,922 Why? Do you snore in code? 984 01:08:20,046 --> 01:08:23,959 - You trying to tell me something? - Since you ask, 985 01:08:24,126 --> 01:08:28,438 why don't we go away for the weekend like we used to? 986 01:08:28,606 --> 01:08:31,040 Yes. Why not? What the hell! 987 01:08:31,206 --> 01:08:33,959 - Let's go to Kingsbury Down. - Where? 988 01:08:34,126 --> 01:08:37,914 Only where we spent our honeymoon, darling! 989 01:08:38,086 --> 01:08:39,405 Yes... 990 01:08:39,566 --> 01:08:41,682 Where you first explained to me 991 01:08:41,846 --> 01:08:47,876 the effect of velocity of circulation on the net growth of money supply. 992 01:08:48,046 --> 01:08:50,435 Yeah... I remember. 993 01:08:50,606 --> 01:08:53,404 Did you get that, boys? 994 01:08:56,446 --> 01:08:59,916 The Minister... on a death list? 995 01:09:00,086 --> 01:09:03,840 Well, who are the International Freedom Army? 996 01:09:04,006 --> 01:09:08,045 - We do not, as yet, know. - Why assassinate the Minister? 997 01:09:08,206 --> 01:09:10,197 He's so harmless! 998 01:09:11,406 --> 01:09:14,716 Nevertheless, we cannot risk the Minister's life. 999 01:09:14,886 --> 01:09:17,798 - No. That means the full...? - Quite! 1000 01:09:19,206 --> 01:09:22,881 - Morning, Minister! - Morning, Minister, how are you? 1001 01:09:23,046 --> 01:09:27,756 - Sorry I'm late. Didn't sleep well. - Sorry to hear that. 1002 01:09:27,926 --> 01:09:30,281 Actually, I feel like death. 1003 01:09:31,926 --> 01:09:34,724 Perhaps that's just as well. 1004 01:09:38,046 --> 01:09:40,879 - See this morning's Express? - Indeed. 1005 01:09:41,046 --> 01:09:45,244 - "Minister acts to curb phone taps." - Wonder where they got that. 1006 01:09:45,726 --> 01:09:48,604 A leak, I suppose. Terrible, isn't it? 1007 01:09:48,766 --> 01:09:50,085 Terrible. 1008 01:09:50,246 --> 01:09:51,395 It only reaffirms my determination to act. 1009 01:09:54,046 --> 01:09:57,561 Are you sure you've considered all the implications? 1010 01:09:58,086 --> 01:10:00,475 Yes. Free citizens have a right to privacy. 1011 01:10:00,646 --> 01:10:05,674 But suppose Ml5 had reason to believe these free citizens were, 1012 01:10:05,846 --> 01:10:08,963 to take a purely hypothetical example, 1013 01:10:09,126 --> 01:10:11,435 planning to assassinate a Minister? 1014 01:10:12,166 --> 01:10:16,603 The freedom of the British people is worth more than a Minister's life. 1015 01:10:16,766 --> 01:10:18,722 Freedom is indivisible. 1016 01:10:18,886 --> 01:10:21,525 Ministers are expendable. 1017 01:10:22,326 --> 01:10:28,242 A man in public life must expect to be the target of cranks and fanatics. 1018 01:10:28,406 --> 01:10:33,082 It is a Minister's duty to set his life at naught. 1019 01:10:33,246 --> 01:10:38,479 He must be able to stand up and say, "Here I am! Do your worst!" 1020 01:10:39,406 --> 01:10:42,364 And not cower in craven terror 1021 01:10:42,526 --> 01:10:45,165 behind electronic equipment, 1022 01:10:45,326 --> 01:10:47,203 secret microphones 1023 01:10:47,366 --> 01:10:53,475 and all the hideous apparatus... of the police state. 1024 01:10:53,846 --> 01:10:56,918 - Ahem... - I don't want to hear about it. 1025 01:10:57,086 --> 01:11:00,396 I must say one more thing on this matter. 1026 01:11:00,566 --> 01:11:02,363 Very well. Be brief. 1027 01:11:02,526 --> 01:11:05,677 Special Branch have found your name on a death list. 1028 01:11:05,846 --> 01:11:08,406 That has no bearing on the situation. 1029 01:11:08,566 --> 01:11:10,204 What?! 1030 01:11:11,486 --> 01:11:16,401 Special Branch have found your name on a death list. 1031 01:11:16,566 --> 01:11:19,797 - A death list...? - An assassination. 1032 01:11:19,966 --> 01:11:24,323 I know what you mean by death list, but what do you mean? 1033 01:11:25,446 --> 01:11:29,803 I don't think I can put it any more clearly, Minister. 1034 01:11:29,966 --> 01:11:32,196 To put it absolutely bluntly, 1035 01:11:32,366 --> 01:11:35,836 investigations have proved the existence of documents 1036 01:11:36,006 --> 01:11:38,281 whose provenance is unestablished 1037 01:11:38,446 --> 01:11:41,961 but whose effect would be to precipitate a bye-election. 1038 01:11:42,126 --> 01:11:44,356 What do you mean? 1039 01:11:44,526 --> 01:11:47,199 You're on a death list, Minister. 1040 01:11:47,366 --> 01:11:48,958 Who and why? 1041 01:11:49,126 --> 01:11:53,005 The International Freedom Army, a new urban guerrilla group. 1042 01:11:53,166 --> 01:11:57,045 - What've they got against me? - As you may recall, 1043 01:11:57,206 --> 01:11:59,959 there have been rumours of a Cabinet reshuffle, 1044 01:12:00,126 --> 01:12:04,756 and your name was linked with the Ministry of Defence. 1045 01:12:04,926 --> 01:12:09,317 - Who can they be? - An Irish splinter group? 1046 01:12:09,486 --> 01:12:15,322 Baader-Meinhof, PLO or Black September or home-grown loonies! 1047 01:12:15,486 --> 01:12:17,920 Anarchists, Maoists, Libyans, 1048 01:12:18,086 --> 01:12:21,601 Iranians or the Italian Red Brigade, for all we know. 1049 01:12:21,766 --> 01:12:27,443 But they're all connected, so it could be a new group of freelance killers. 1050 01:12:28,646 --> 01:12:31,240 Special Branch don't know where to start. 1051 01:12:31,406 --> 01:12:35,240 - The list isn't just me? - Not just you, Minister. 1052 01:12:35,406 --> 01:12:38,443 - There must be hundreds on... - Just three. 1053 01:12:39,806 --> 01:12:41,797 Just three. 1054 01:12:41,966 --> 01:12:43,524 (BUZZER) 1055 01:12:43,686 --> 01:12:47,156 Yes? Commander Forest of Special Branch. 1056 01:12:47,326 --> 01:12:48,839 - Shall I...? - Please do. 1057 01:12:49,006 --> 01:12:53,363 The Home Secretary wants detectives to protect you. 1058 01:12:53,526 --> 01:12:56,165 - This man will inform you. - Detectives?! 1059 01:12:56,326 --> 01:12:58,999 They can't protect you against the assassin's bullet! 1060 01:12:59,166 --> 01:13:04,923 Certainly not, but they can determine the assassin is brought to trial. 1061 01:13:05,086 --> 01:13:10,001 After the victim has been gunned down, of course. 1062 01:13:10,566 --> 01:13:13,399 Commander Forest of Special Branch. 1063 01:13:13,566 --> 01:13:15,796 - Morning, Commander. - Morning, sir. 1064 01:13:15,966 --> 01:13:17,638 - Sit down. - Thank you. 1065 01:13:17,806 --> 01:13:21,355 You've been told about this list, sir? 1066 01:13:21,526 --> 01:13:24,836 List? What list? Oh, list, yes. 1067 01:13:25,006 --> 01:13:28,078 I'll brief you on the standard hazards and precautions. 1068 01:13:28,246 --> 01:13:32,034 - Thank you, Bernard. - Do I have to take it seriously? 1069 01:13:32,206 --> 01:13:35,243 In a sense, that's up to you. We advise... 1070 01:13:35,406 --> 01:13:40,719 Most people might be in a frightful funk, but it's all in a day's work! 1071 01:13:40,886 --> 01:13:44,083 - I admire your courage, sir. - Thank you. 1072 01:13:44,246 --> 01:13:45,599 Right, well... 1073 01:13:45,766 --> 01:13:47,563 Shoot. I mean...! 1074 01:13:48,926 --> 01:13:51,998 Assassination hazards fall into four categories: 1075 01:13:52,166 --> 01:13:56,921 Bullets, bombs, poisons and so-called accidents. 1076 01:13:57,086 --> 01:13:59,964 There's also gassing, throttling, stabbing, drowning, 1077 01:14:00,126 --> 01:14:05,325 garrotting and ritual disembowelling, but they are uncommon in the UK. 1078 01:14:05,486 --> 01:14:08,205 - All right, then. - Start with bullets. 1079 01:14:08,366 --> 01:14:11,881 There's your assassin on a tall building or in a car, 1080 01:14:12,046 --> 01:14:14,435 your killer in a crowd and phut! 1081 01:14:15,086 --> 01:14:18,522 There's the unexpected house caller, your marksman in a van, 1082 01:14:18,686 --> 01:14:21,075 and the revolver through your car window. 1083 01:14:21,246 --> 01:14:25,239 So avoid crowds and keep away from windows. 1084 01:14:28,566 --> 01:14:35,039 Commander, could I suggest bullet-proof curtains for the office? 1085 01:14:35,206 --> 01:14:38,562 - Bullet-proof! - By lunchtime, sir. 1086 01:14:38,726 --> 01:14:42,719 We'll fit them in your London flat when we do the place over. 1087 01:14:42,886 --> 01:14:46,276 - Do it over? - The usual locks, security alarms. 1088 01:14:46,446 --> 01:14:49,916 24-hour patrols by local staff, phone taps. 1089 01:14:50,086 --> 01:14:51,838 Just the usual?! 1090 01:14:52,006 --> 01:14:54,725 You'll have bodyguards round the clock. 1091 01:14:54,886 --> 01:14:59,801 Never answer your door in person and keep car windows locked. 1092 01:14:59,966 --> 01:15:02,526 Never draw up by the pavement at lights. 1093 01:15:02,686 --> 01:15:05,519 You don't want a terrorist to jump in! 1094 01:15:05,686 --> 01:15:07,358 - No. - Course not! 1095 01:15:07,526 --> 01:15:13,442 If he draws his car in front of yours, ram the axle and sweep it aside, 1096 01:15:15,126 --> 01:15:19,597 Bombs! Car bombs you know, but never open letters. 1097 01:15:19,766 --> 01:15:22,485 For the time being, we'll re-direct them. 1098 01:15:22,646 --> 01:15:27,845 Now, poisons... Be suspicious of gifts of food, chocolates. 1099 01:15:28,006 --> 01:15:31,794 Check the milk bottle caps every morning for hypodermic holes. 1100 01:15:31,966 --> 01:15:35,925 Don't forget the poisoned umbrella jabbed into the calf. 1101 01:15:39,206 --> 01:15:40,958 Now... accidents. 1102 01:15:41,126 --> 01:15:45,438 Never walk along the edge of pavements, rivers, railway platforms. 1103 01:15:45,606 --> 01:15:48,757 We don't want to make it too easy for them. 1104 01:15:48,926 --> 01:15:52,362 Especially the electric railway - so avoid the Tube. 1105 01:15:52,526 --> 01:15:55,199 Electrocution... another favourite. 1106 01:15:55,366 --> 01:16:01,521 A little tinkering with the telly, toaster, electric blanket and Bob's your uncle! 1107 01:16:01,686 --> 01:16:04,359 Your late uncle. 1108 01:16:07,166 --> 01:16:09,919 They have to be checked. Any questions? 1109 01:16:13,446 --> 01:16:18,998 Good! Here's your list of standard safety precautions. 1110 01:16:19,166 --> 01:16:22,681 - I'll be in touch. - Thank you, Commander. 1111 01:16:25,166 --> 01:16:28,602 If you're pushed out of a window with railings underneath, 1112 01:16:28,766 --> 01:16:31,326 try and land on your head. 1113 01:16:31,486 --> 01:16:33,363 Quicker! 1114 01:16:38,046 --> 01:16:43,245 Humphrey... how do we find these terrorists before they find me? 1115 01:16:43,406 --> 01:16:49,117 Phone tapping and surveillance of suspects is the best way, 1116 01:16:49,286 --> 01:16:54,041 but it does incur intolerable intrusion on individual privacy. 1117 01:17:00,566 --> 01:17:02,522 On the other hand... 1118 01:17:02,686 --> 01:17:07,282 the people's representatives must represent the people. 1119 01:17:07,446 --> 01:17:11,405 Any threat to them is a threat against democracy, isn't it? 1120 01:17:13,166 --> 01:17:15,157 How? 1121 01:17:15,806 --> 01:17:18,479 These threats constitute 1122 01:17:18,646 --> 01:17:22,844 an attack on the people's inalienable democratic right 1123 01:17:23,006 --> 01:17:28,558 to have leaders of their choice, who must be protected by every possible means, 1124 01:17:28,726 --> 01:17:32,605 no matter how much we might regret the necessity for doing so. 1125 01:17:32,766 --> 01:17:35,917 Beautifully argued, Minister. My view exactly. 1126 01:17:36,086 --> 01:17:39,078 Or else you're a dead duck. 1127 01:17:39,646 --> 01:17:41,557 Good God! What's that? 1128 01:17:41,726 --> 01:17:43,956 - The petition's arrived. - Petition? 1129 01:17:44,126 --> 01:17:46,845 Against phone tapping and surveillance. 1130 01:17:47,006 --> 01:17:51,124 The one you started in opposition. 2.25 million signatures. 1131 01:17:51,286 --> 01:17:53,117 But we need surveillance! 1132 01:17:53,286 --> 01:17:56,483 It's an essential weapon in our fight against crime, right? 1133 01:17:56,646 --> 01:17:59,399 I couldn't have put it better myself. 1134 01:17:59,566 --> 01:18:05,163 - I see. Shall I file it? - Shred it! No one must find it. 1135 01:18:05,326 --> 01:18:08,716 In that case, I think it's best I file it. 1136 01:18:38,246 --> 01:18:41,283 Great way to spend a second honeymoon! 1137 01:18:41,446 --> 01:18:42,765 Table for...? 1138 01:18:42,926 --> 01:18:44,359 - Eight! - Two. 1139 01:18:44,526 --> 01:18:47,518 I've a nice table by the window. 1140 01:18:47,686 --> 01:18:50,120 - We've chosen the target's table. - Target? 1141 01:18:50,286 --> 01:18:53,642 Sorry, Minister. Over there by the kitchen door. 1142 01:18:58,366 --> 01:19:00,243 You sit here, sir. 1143 01:19:00,406 --> 01:19:04,797 Constable Ross will be watching the kitchen door, your escape route. 1144 01:19:04,966 --> 01:19:09,881 We're not expecting assassins here, since we only booked this morning. 1145 01:19:10,046 --> 01:19:16,235 I'll sit by the window. If you hear gunshots, get under the table. 1146 01:19:16,406 --> 01:19:18,761 I'm not really worried. 1147 01:19:21,806 --> 01:19:23,762 (POP!) 1148 01:19:25,926 --> 01:19:29,555 It was just a champagne cork, darling. 1149 01:19:30,446 --> 01:19:32,437 Just practising. 1150 01:19:34,126 --> 01:19:36,765 (DETECTIVE) I'll have spaghetti bolognaise, 1151 01:19:36,926 --> 01:19:42,796 then T-bone steak, peas, beans, cauliflower and chips, 1152 01:19:42,966 --> 01:19:47,960 and a bottle of Château Baron Philippe de Rothschild 1961. 1153 01:19:49,646 --> 01:19:52,240 Takes it out of you, this job. 1154 01:19:57,006 --> 01:19:59,076 - Beautiful, isn't it? - Beautiful. 1155 01:19:59,246 --> 01:20:01,476 Quiet and peaceful. 1156 01:20:01,646 --> 01:20:03,762 Lovely to get away from it all. 1157 01:20:03,926 --> 01:20:05,917 Lovely. 1158 01:20:15,846 --> 01:20:18,076 - This all right for you? - Lovely. 1159 01:20:18,246 --> 01:20:21,044 Not James Bond? I thought it was "Belle du Jour". 1160 01:20:21,206 --> 01:20:25,199 Yes, but they didn't want to see a foreign film. 1161 01:20:33,646 --> 01:20:35,637 (OMINOUS MUSIC) 1162 01:20:46,086 --> 01:20:48,077 (MUSIC BUILDS) 1163 01:21:03,966 --> 01:21:05,285 (GUNSHOT) 1164 01:21:10,126 --> 01:21:12,117 I can't stand this. 1165 01:21:22,366 --> 01:21:26,757 - Target in there now? - Yeah, with his wife. 1166 01:21:26,926 --> 01:21:30,601 - They going out again? - Nah, turned in for the night. 1167 01:21:30,766 --> 01:21:34,395 They don't seem to be enjoying the holiday. 1168 01:21:34,566 --> 01:21:36,557 Wonder why...? 1169 01:21:37,326 --> 01:21:39,521 I can't sleep here. 1170 01:21:39,686 --> 01:21:41,483 I'm going home. 1171 01:21:44,406 --> 01:21:46,874 What the hell's all this? 1172 01:21:47,046 --> 01:21:51,039 (DETECTIVE) Local force, sir, showing they're doing their bit. 1173 01:22:03,446 --> 01:22:04,765 (KNOCK AT DOOR) 1174 01:22:05,166 --> 01:22:07,805 Come in. Oh, you're in! 1175 01:22:07,966 --> 01:22:11,242 - May I just check the windows? - Go ahead. 1176 01:22:16,566 --> 01:22:18,682 Thank you. Goodnight, sir. 1177 01:22:18,846 --> 01:22:20,643 Sleep well. 1178 01:22:22,566 --> 01:22:26,479 Don't worry, darling. You'll get used to being a famous man's wife. 1179 01:22:26,646 --> 01:22:28,045 I hope so. 1180 01:22:28,206 --> 01:22:31,881 I don't want to be a famous man's widow! 1181 01:22:33,126 --> 01:22:35,196 But... I don't follow. 1182 01:22:35,366 --> 01:22:37,755 You want to stop phone tapping, 1183 01:22:37,926 --> 01:22:43,239 you get this petition of 2.25 million signatures to boost your case, 1184 01:22:43,406 --> 01:22:47,319 and you won't even give me a quote saying you welcome it. 1185 01:22:49,686 --> 01:22:52,484 A promise to implement its recommendations? 1186 01:22:52,646 --> 01:22:55,240 - It's not that simple. - Why not? 1187 01:22:55,406 --> 01:23:00,161 - There are security implications. - There always were. 1188 01:23:02,806 --> 01:23:07,880 OK, I'll make an even bigger story: "Minister rejects his own petition." 1189 01:23:08,046 --> 01:23:10,002 Now, hold on! I... 1190 01:23:10,166 --> 01:23:13,158 Are you accepting it or rejecting it? 1191 01:23:14,286 --> 01:23:16,038 No. 1192 01:23:18,326 --> 01:23:25,118 My editor asks if being on this death list has altered your views on phone tapping. 1193 01:23:25,766 --> 01:23:28,519 Heavens! What an extraordinary idea! 1194 01:23:28,686 --> 01:23:32,725 - So why this change of tune? - No change of tune. 1195 01:23:32,886 --> 01:23:34,205 (KNOCK) 1196 01:23:34,366 --> 01:23:38,962 - Can Sir Humphrey see you? - Humphrey! What can I do for you? 1197 01:23:39,126 --> 01:23:41,720 - Excuse us. - Won't be a minute. 1198 01:23:41,886 --> 01:23:43,604 I'll wait out there. 1199 01:23:43,766 --> 01:23:45,085 Good weekend? 1200 01:23:45,246 --> 01:23:48,443 Marvellous. Me, Annie and half of Special Branch. 1201 01:23:48,606 --> 01:23:53,316 - Rozzers with guns. Unforgettable! - The burdens of office! 1202 01:23:53,486 --> 01:23:57,923 - This can't go on. - You said it! It isn't going to. 1203 01:23:58,086 --> 01:24:01,237 Special Branch is withdrawing your protection. 1204 01:24:01,406 --> 01:24:05,558 Wait a minute! I didn't mean... Why? 1205 01:24:06,326 --> 01:24:10,558 They've suffered an acute personnel establishment shortfall. 1206 01:24:10,726 --> 01:24:14,355 - They're what? - Short-staffed. No more protection. 1207 01:24:14,526 --> 01:24:16,039 Short-staffed?! 1208 01:24:16,206 --> 01:24:21,121 There's a more dangerous threat to the Soviet premier at Chequers. 1209 01:24:21,286 --> 01:24:24,517 - But he's Russian, I'm British! - In fact, 1210 01:24:24,686 --> 01:24:28,998 Special Branch believe the threat to your life has diminished. 1211 01:24:29,166 --> 01:24:30,918 How do they know? 1212 01:24:31,086 --> 01:24:33,680 Surveillance of a conversation. 1213 01:24:33,846 --> 01:24:36,918 - What did it say? - It's of no... 1214 01:24:37,086 --> 01:24:38,758 I've a right to know. 1215 01:24:38,926 --> 01:24:41,520 Well, it was to the effect that, 1216 01:24:41,686 --> 01:24:45,645 in view of the nebulous and inexplicit nature of your remit, 1217 01:24:45,806 --> 01:24:51,483 the arguably marginal and peripheral nature of your influence on decisions 1218 01:24:51,646 --> 01:24:53,716 within the political process, 1219 01:24:53,886 --> 01:24:57,162 there could be a case for restructuring their action priorities 1220 01:24:57,326 --> 01:25:02,320 so as to eliminate your liquidation from their immediate agenda. 1221 01:25:03,846 --> 01:25:06,041 They said that? 1222 01:25:06,206 --> 01:25:08,720 That was the gist of it. 1223 01:25:10,446 --> 01:25:12,482 What's it mean in English? 1224 01:25:12,646 --> 01:25:19,040 Well, it means that they don't think you're really important enough 1225 01:25:19,206 --> 01:25:22,278 for it to be worth assassinating you. 1226 01:25:30,926 --> 01:25:32,245 Oh! 1227 01:25:33,086 --> 01:25:37,398 - I don't agree, of course. - You mean...? 1228 01:25:37,566 --> 01:25:39,397 What? 1229 01:25:39,566 --> 01:25:42,922 - They should assassinate me? - No, no, no! 1230 01:25:43,086 --> 01:25:46,840 - I'm not important enough? - No, no... 1231 01:25:47,006 --> 01:25:49,520 I mean you are important enough, 1232 01:25:49,686 --> 01:25:52,962 but they shouldn't assassinate you anyway. 1233 01:25:53,966 --> 01:25:57,720 That's marvellous. Not that I was ever worried. 1234 01:25:57,886 --> 01:25:59,604 (KNOCK) 1235 01:25:59,926 --> 01:26:01,723 Mr Fowler's waiting. 1236 01:26:01,886 --> 01:26:04,320 Yes, bring him in. 1237 01:26:04,486 --> 01:26:08,320 Have we still got that petition? If so, show Mr Fowler. 1238 01:26:08,486 --> 01:26:13,355 - The petition? But you said... - Yes, I did, but bring it in. 1239 01:26:14,526 --> 01:26:17,962 - Antennae, Bernard. - Yes! Yes, indeed. 1240 01:26:18,126 --> 01:26:21,198 - The petition you were pleased...? - That's right. 1241 01:26:21,366 --> 01:26:23,243 God! 1242 01:26:24,166 --> 01:26:27,522 - The paper must have an answer. - Of course. 1243 01:26:27,686 --> 01:26:30,883 I want you to know I welcome this petition warmly! 1244 01:26:31,046 --> 01:26:36,404 It's not just the sort of thing you can sweep under the carpet. 1245 01:26:36,566 --> 01:26:40,115 As for death lists, well, Ministers are dispensable, 1246 01:26:40,286 --> 01:26:43,562 but freedom is indivisible, right, Humphrey? 1247 01:26:43,726 --> 01:26:45,717 Yes, Minister. 1248 01:28:11,580 --> 01:28:14,219 Humphrey, what are you havering about? 1249 01:28:14,380 --> 01:28:17,850 I'm simply saying we can't take the Minister's approval for granted. 1250 01:28:18,020 --> 01:28:20,614 The Italian government have offered a massive contract 1251 01:28:20,780 --> 01:28:24,056 to manufacture propanol at our Merseyside plant, 1252 01:28:24,220 --> 01:28:28,532 which means saving a plant we were going to have to close, 1253 01:28:28,700 --> 01:28:32,488 saving jobs, earning export royalties. 1254 01:28:32,660 --> 01:28:36,892 - He has to give us the go-ahead. - But if the Minister thinks... 1255 01:28:37,060 --> 01:28:38,732 Ministers don't think! 1256 01:28:40,740 --> 01:28:42,651 Don't talk to me about Ministers. 1257 01:28:42,820 --> 01:28:46,369 I've been chairman of British Chemical Corporation for ten years, 1258 01:28:46,540 --> 01:28:50,169 and in that time dealt with nineteen different Ministers. 1259 01:28:50,340 --> 01:28:52,774 They've usually not had time to see me, 1260 01:28:52,940 --> 01:28:57,889 because they're too busy bribing Trade Union leaders not to strike. 1261 01:28:58,060 --> 01:29:01,211 - They've never bribed anybody. - Oh, no? 1262 01:29:01,380 --> 01:29:04,850 "Have a quango, Tom; a knighthood, Dick; a peerage, Harry." 1263 01:29:05,020 --> 01:29:08,695 - But the Minister's worried... - Of course he's worried! 1264 01:29:08,860 --> 01:29:13,980 If I'd never done anything to worry those vote-grabbing baby-kissing jellies, 1265 01:29:14,140 --> 01:29:16,608 we'd have gone down the tube years ago! 1266 01:29:16,780 --> 01:29:20,739 - But propanol contains metadioxin. - So what? 1267 01:29:20,900 --> 01:29:24,654 Dioxin was released at Seveso. It can damage the foetus. 1268 01:29:24,820 --> 01:29:29,098 That's dioxin, for Christ's sake! Metadioxin is an inert compound. 1269 01:29:29,260 --> 01:29:32,536 It's been given a clean bill of health by Washington. 1270 01:29:32,700 --> 01:29:35,976 The Henderson Committee, which you set up, will give it the OK, too. 1271 01:29:36,140 --> 01:29:39,974 I know, Wally, but the name could be politically sensitive. 1272 01:29:40,140 --> 01:29:42,973 But I've taken metadioxin out of the proposal. 1273 01:29:43,140 --> 01:29:45,574 - I call it propanol. - Very wise of you. 1274 01:29:45,740 --> 01:29:49,130 - You told me to. - Very wise of me! 1275 01:29:49,300 --> 01:29:55,136 But the Minister may raise no objections, it just needs tact. 1276 01:29:55,300 --> 01:29:58,815 Fine. In that case, there's no problem. 1277 01:29:58,980 --> 01:30:04,737 I'll have a tactful word with Hacker and persuade the blancmange myself. 1278 01:30:05,340 --> 01:30:08,571 Don't take this amiss, Wally, 1279 01:30:08,740 --> 01:30:14,690 but I might just be able to manage without your unique... brand of tact. 1280 01:30:16,180 --> 01:30:19,058 - This is wonderful news, Humphrey. - Yes, Minister. 1281 01:30:19,220 --> 01:30:24,692 We turn a run-down plant from loss-maker into a profitable unit, 1282 01:30:24,860 --> 01:30:27,693 the largest manufacturer of propanol in Europe. 1283 01:30:27,860 --> 01:30:31,489 - Yes, Minister. - Equipment made in UK factories. 1284 01:30:31,660 --> 01:30:35,573 Income for the local authorities, foreign exchange from exports. 1285 01:30:35,740 --> 01:30:37,970 - Too good to be true! - It is true. 1286 01:30:38,140 --> 01:30:42,292 Good old propanol... What is propanol, actually? 1287 01:30:42,860 --> 01:30:47,251 It used to be made with dioxin until the Seveso explosion, 1288 01:30:47,420 --> 01:30:52,050 then they developed a safe compound, metadioxin. 1289 01:30:52,220 --> 01:30:56,771 The Italian factory is sealed off so they've asked the BCC to make it. 1290 01:30:56,940 --> 01:30:59,170 - An ill wind. - Quite so. 1291 01:30:59,340 --> 01:31:02,616 - But this stuff is perfectly safe? - Perfectly. 1292 01:31:02,780 --> 01:31:07,171 Weak Ministers might have doubts over the similarity of the names, 1293 01:31:07,340 --> 01:31:11,856 but no one with any backbone would be deflected from such a beneficial project 1294 01:31:12,020 --> 01:31:14,250 on such a useless pretext. 1295 01:31:14,460 --> 01:31:18,055 I know just the sort of Minister you mean. Political jellyfish. 1296 01:31:18,220 --> 01:31:21,053 Terrified of taking any decision. 1297 01:31:21,220 --> 01:31:24,212 After all, every decision upsets someone, doesn't it? 1298 01:31:24,380 --> 01:31:28,498 Good government is doing what's right, not just what's popular. 1299 01:31:28,660 --> 01:31:31,493 - Absolutely, Minister. - But this will be popular? 1300 01:31:31,660 --> 01:31:35,335 - Very popular. - Humphrey, I want to be sure. 1301 01:31:35,500 --> 01:31:40,255 You not asking me to make a courageous decision, are you? 1302 01:31:40,420 --> 01:31:42,536 Of course not, Minister. 1303 01:31:42,700 --> 01:31:45,737 Good, good. Should I take it to Cabinet? 1304 01:31:45,900 --> 01:31:48,573 - I think the less said, the better. - Why? 1305 01:31:48,740 --> 01:31:51,174 Although metadioxin is totally harmless, 1306 01:31:51,340 --> 01:31:54,650 the name may cause anxiety in ignorant minds. 1307 01:31:54,820 --> 01:31:58,529 Humphrey, you're talking about my Cabinet colleagues. 1308 01:31:58,700 --> 01:32:00,656 I was referring to the Friends of the Earth. 1309 01:32:00,820 --> 01:32:02,139 (PHONE RINGS) 1310 01:32:03,100 --> 01:32:06,775 Yes? Joan Littler has arrived, MP for Liverpool South West. 1311 01:32:06,940 --> 01:32:08,578 Know what she wants? 1312 01:32:08,740 --> 01:32:13,097 She's the Prime Minister's PPS, and the new plant is in her constituency. 1313 01:32:13,260 --> 01:32:18,129 - Show her in. If you'll excuse us? - The PM's PPS? I think I'll stay. 1314 01:32:18,780 --> 01:32:21,340 Joan Littler, member for Liverpool South West. 1315 01:32:21,500 --> 01:32:25,254 - Do you know Humphrey Appleby? - Delighted to meet you. 1316 01:32:25,420 --> 01:32:27,217 Do take a seat. 1317 01:32:27,380 --> 01:32:29,894 - Thank you, Bernard. - Bernard... 1318 01:32:31,500 --> 01:32:34,060 Now, what can I do for you? 1319 01:32:34,220 --> 01:32:38,771 Jim, what's the British Chemical Corporation up to in my constituency? 1320 01:32:38,940 --> 01:32:43,570 They'll be announcing a very exciting project, with new jobs. 1321 01:32:43,740 --> 01:32:47,415 Yes... but there's some very worrying rumours. 1322 01:32:47,580 --> 01:32:50,048 - Such as? - Rumours of dangerous chemicals. 1323 01:32:50,220 --> 01:32:52,575 All chemicals are dangerous... 1324 01:32:52,740 --> 01:32:57,052 The Minister means the rumours are unfounded, no cause for alarm. 1325 01:32:57,220 --> 01:33:01,896 Can I have your assurance there'll be a full public enquiry? 1326 01:33:02,620 --> 01:33:04,099 Not a bad idea... 1327 01:33:04,260 --> 01:33:08,731 The Minister was about to say there's no need for an enquiry. 1328 01:33:08,900 --> 01:33:14,611 - A report will be issued shortly. - I came here to talk to Jim. 1329 01:33:14,780 --> 01:33:18,455 - You are talking to him. - But he's not answering, you are! 1330 01:33:19,460 --> 01:33:22,054 - The Minister and I are of one mind. - Whose? Yours? 1331 01:33:25,100 --> 01:33:30,094 I've heard this factory made the chemical that poisoned Seveso! 1332 01:33:30,260 --> 01:33:32,376 - That's not true. - Isn't it? 1333 01:33:32,540 --> 01:33:36,453 The chemical in Seveso was dioxin. This is metadioxin. 1334 01:33:36,620 --> 01:33:40,090 - That's virtually the same thing. - Just a similar name. 1335 01:33:40,260 --> 01:33:43,696 It's the same name with "meta" stuck on the front. 1336 01:33:43,860 --> 01:33:48,058 - That makes all the difference. - Why? What does "meta" mean? 1337 01:33:50,180 --> 01:33:54,173 - What does "meta" mean, Humphrey? - "With", "after" or "beyond". 1338 01:33:54,340 --> 01:33:59,368 From the Greek, of course. "After" dioxin or "beyond" dioxin. 1339 01:33:59,540 --> 01:34:03,613 If it's in the accusative, it's "beyond or after", 1340 01:34:03,780 --> 01:34:07,739 with the genitive it's "with", as in Latin, as you no doubt recall. 1341 01:34:07,900 --> 01:34:11,370 The ablative is used for words needing "with" to precede them. 1342 01:34:11,540 --> 01:34:15,419 But of course, there isn't an ablative in Greek. 1343 01:34:15,580 --> 01:34:18,572 - Well done, Bernard. - Thank you. 1344 01:34:21,220 --> 01:34:24,576 - You see? - Not exactly, no. 1345 01:34:24,740 --> 01:34:28,210 - I thought that was perfectly plain. - What I insist on knowing 1346 01:34:28,380 --> 01:34:32,771 is what is the actual difference between dioxin and metadioxin. 1347 01:34:32,940 --> 01:34:37,013 Metadioxin is an inert compound of dioxin. 1348 01:34:37,180 --> 01:34:39,933 I think I follow that, Humphrey, 1349 01:34:40,100 --> 01:34:43,570 but could you explain it a little more clearly? 1350 01:34:43,740 --> 01:34:47,016 - In what sense, Minister? - What does "inert" mean? 1351 01:34:47,180 --> 01:34:49,819 It means it's not... 1352 01:34:50,940 --> 01:34:52,737 ...ert. 1353 01:34:55,940 --> 01:34:58,454 Wouldn't "ert" a fly. 1354 01:34:59,260 --> 01:35:03,048 - What did you say, Bernard? - Nothing, Minister. 1355 01:35:03,220 --> 01:35:06,769 - What does that mean in practical terms? - You mean chemically? 1356 01:35:06,940 --> 01:35:10,649 - Yes, chemically. - What does it mean chemically? 1357 01:35:10,820 --> 01:35:13,732 I can't explain it in layman's language... 1358 01:35:13,900 --> 01:35:17,415 - Do you know any chemistry? - Of course not, Minister. 1359 01:35:17,580 --> 01:35:20,492 I was in the scholarship form. 1360 01:35:20,660 --> 01:35:22,173 Classics. 1361 01:35:22,340 --> 01:35:25,730 - And what's a compound? - Don't you know any chemistry? 1362 01:35:25,900 --> 01:35:28,573 No. Do you? 1363 01:35:28,740 --> 01:35:33,291 - We ought to, oughtn't we? - A compound is a... 1364 01:35:33,460 --> 01:35:39,057 You know what compound interest is? Yes, well, a jolly good thing. 1365 01:35:39,220 --> 01:35:41,973 That's the sort of thing a compound is. 1366 01:35:43,620 --> 01:35:45,099 That's it, then. 1367 01:35:45,260 --> 01:35:49,538 To sum up, I think we're all of the same mind, broadly speaking. 1368 01:35:49,700 --> 01:35:52,419 We're ready to go ahead. 1369 01:35:52,580 --> 01:35:55,572 I've said no such thing! 1370 01:35:57,260 --> 01:35:59,979 The only difference is in the name, 1371 01:36:00,140 --> 01:36:04,019 dioxin and metadioxin, like... Littler and Hitler. 1372 01:36:04,620 --> 01:36:07,612 Not that you're like Hitler because your name's similar! 1373 01:36:08,140 --> 01:36:10,335 - That's not the point. - What is the point? 1374 01:36:10,500 --> 01:36:13,412 The point is this factory is in my constituency! 1375 01:36:13,580 --> 01:36:17,050 It'll be good for the constituency, more jobs, more money. 1376 01:36:17,220 --> 01:36:20,929 The only people we'll offend are a few environmentalists. 1377 01:36:21,100 --> 01:36:24,251 At most, it won't cost us more than 100 votes. 1378 01:36:24,940 --> 01:36:28,649 My majority is 91. 1379 01:36:28,820 --> 01:36:32,449 Not to mention the three marginal constituencies bordering mine! 1380 01:36:32,620 --> 01:36:34,576 Could I intervene just once more? 1381 01:36:34,740 --> 01:36:38,369 The case for the BCC manufacturing propanol is overwhelming. 1382 01:36:38,540 --> 01:36:39,859 Overwhelming. 1383 01:36:40,020 --> 01:36:43,899 Great jobs, increased income and secure, profitable export orders. 1384 01:36:44,060 --> 01:36:45,618 - Export orders. - Furthermore... 1385 01:36:45,780 --> 01:36:49,136 the drug has been declared safe by Washington, 1386 01:36:49,300 --> 01:36:51,609 - Washington. - We're preparing a report, too. 1387 01:36:51,780 --> 01:36:53,611 The Minister is confident 1388 01:36:53,780 --> 01:36:57,853 that this scheme is to the advantage of your constituency and the country. 1389 01:36:58,020 --> 01:37:01,649 If it proves not to be safe, I won't allow its manufacture here. 1390 01:37:01,820 --> 01:37:06,530 But if the report says it is safe, that'd be absurd, wouldn't it? 1391 01:37:07,220 --> 01:37:10,257 I'm not satisfied with that, Jim. 1392 01:37:10,420 --> 01:37:13,696 Remember that the party made you an MP, 1393 01:37:13,860 --> 01:37:18,456 and you can't be a Minister if your party loses the next election. 1394 01:37:22,460 --> 01:37:24,655 You still don't look happy, Minister. 1395 01:37:24,820 --> 01:37:29,177 Suppose the report isn't as conclusive as you say. 1396 01:37:29,340 --> 01:37:32,696 - Oughtn't I to meet this Henderson? - No need. 1397 01:37:32,860 --> 01:37:36,694 He's a brilliant Cambridge biochemist, chosen with some care. 1398 01:37:36,860 --> 01:37:40,136 Suppose he produces a cautious, wait-and-see report? 1399 01:37:40,300 --> 01:37:43,292 We don't publish it. We use the American report instead. 1400 01:37:43,460 --> 01:37:45,098 Fine! 1401 01:37:46,300 --> 01:37:50,134 - You mean we suppress it? - No, we just don't publish it. 1402 01:37:50,300 --> 01:37:54,771 - What's the difference? - All the difference in the world! 1403 01:37:54,940 --> 01:37:57,579 Suppression is the instrument of dictatorships. 1404 01:37:57,740 --> 01:38:00,652 We don't talk of that sort of thing in a free country. 1405 01:38:00,820 --> 01:38:03,254 We take a democratic decision not to publish. 1406 01:38:04,620 --> 01:38:08,374 Fine. What am I to say to the press and parliament? 1407 01:38:08,540 --> 01:38:11,657 "We hoped the report would say it was a wise decision." 1408 01:38:11,820 --> 01:38:15,449 "But we've cocked it up so we'll pretend the report doesn't exist." 1409 01:38:15,620 --> 01:38:17,895 - Very droll. - What would I say? 1410 01:38:18,060 --> 01:38:20,972 There's a Government procedure for suppress... 1411 01:38:21,140 --> 01:38:24,052 ...deciding not to publish reports. - Really? 1412 01:38:24,220 --> 01:38:26,415 You simply discredit them. 1413 01:38:26,580 --> 01:38:28,571 Good heavens! 1414 01:38:29,900 --> 01:38:31,652 How? 1415 01:38:32,700 --> 01:38:36,409 Stage One, give your reasons in terms of the public interest. 1416 01:38:36,580 --> 01:38:40,971 - Hint at security considerations... - Mind if I make a note? 1417 01:38:41,140 --> 01:38:46,168 This could be useful for discrediting some of the party's idiotic research documents. 1418 01:38:46,340 --> 01:38:51,653 The report could put pressure on Government and be misinterpreted. 1419 01:38:51,820 --> 01:38:55,529 Anything could be misinterpreted. The Sermon on the Mount could be! 1420 01:38:55,700 --> 01:39:01,696 Indeed, it could be argued the Sermon should not have been published. 1421 01:39:02,580 --> 01:39:04,810 A most irresponsible document. 1422 01:39:04,980 --> 01:39:07,448 All that stuff about the meek inheriting the earth 1423 01:39:07,620 --> 01:39:11,659 could do irreparable damage to the defence budget. 1424 01:39:11,820 --> 01:39:14,095 I suppose you're right. What else? 1425 01:39:14,260 --> 01:39:18,731 Say it's better to wait for a more detailed study over longer time. 1426 01:39:19,340 --> 01:39:22,173 - Suppose there isn't one? - Commission one. 1427 01:39:22,340 --> 01:39:24,695 Gives you even more time to play with. 1428 01:39:24,860 --> 01:39:28,409 - All this is Stage One? - Yes. In Stage Two... 1429 01:39:28,580 --> 01:39:31,014 discredit the evidence you're not publishing. 1430 01:39:31,180 --> 01:39:35,810 - How, if you're not publishing it? - It's easier if it's not published. 1431 01:39:35,980 --> 01:39:39,052 Do it by press leaks, of course, not directly. 1432 01:39:39,220 --> 01:39:42,576 Say it leaves important questions unanswered, 1433 01:39:42,740 --> 01:39:44,537 the evidence is inconclusive, 1434 01:39:44,700 --> 01:39:47,658 the figures are open to other interpretations, 1435 01:39:47,820 --> 01:39:51,335 that certain findings are contradictory, 1436 01:39:51,500 --> 01:39:55,254 and that some of the main conclusions have been questioned. 1437 01:39:55,420 --> 01:39:58,696 - Suppose they haven't? - Then question them! 1438 01:39:58,860 --> 01:40:00,771 Then they have! 1439 01:40:01,580 --> 01:40:04,890 But you'd have to go through it with a fine-toothed comb. 1440 01:40:05,060 --> 01:40:09,212 No, no, no. You'd say all these things without reading it. 1441 01:40:09,380 --> 01:40:11,496 There's always some questions unanswered. 1442 01:40:11,660 --> 01:40:14,777 - Such as? - The ones that weren't asked. 1443 01:40:15,820 --> 01:40:18,573 - That's Stage Two? - Yes. In Stage Three... 1444 01:40:18,740 --> 01:40:21,493 you undermine recommendations. 1445 01:40:21,660 --> 01:40:24,174 "Not a basis for long-term decisions." 1446 01:40:24,340 --> 01:40:29,573 "Not sufficient information on which to base a valid assessment." 1447 01:40:29,740 --> 01:40:33,733 "Not really any need for a fundamental rethink of policies." 1448 01:40:33,900 --> 01:40:37,893 "Broadly speaking, endorses current practice." It's easy. 1449 01:40:38,060 --> 01:40:39,891 - That works? - Nearly always. 1450 01:40:40,060 --> 01:40:42,813 - Suppose it doesn't? - Move on to Stage Four. 1451 01:40:42,980 --> 01:40:47,735 - Stage Four? - Discredit the man who produced the report. 1452 01:40:47,900 --> 01:40:49,492 Off the record. 1453 01:40:49,660 --> 01:40:53,699 Say that he's harbouring a grudge against the Government 1454 01:40:53,860 --> 01:40:58,729 or, better still, that he used to be a consultant to a multi-national company. 1455 01:40:58,900 --> 01:41:02,495 - Supposing he wasn't? - Then he's hoping to be. 1456 01:41:02,660 --> 01:41:05,379 Everybody's hoping to be a consultant to a multi-national. 1457 01:41:05,540 --> 01:41:10,819 Or he's trying for a knighthood or vice-chancellorship. 1458 01:41:10,980 --> 01:41:13,574 There are endless possibilities. 1459 01:41:13,740 --> 01:41:15,139 Excuse me. 1460 01:41:15,300 --> 01:41:19,578 The press officer rang to say there's an item on the news. 1461 01:41:19,740 --> 01:41:21,970 Yes, yes. Why wasn't I told? 1462 01:41:22,140 --> 01:41:25,337 The BCC aren't obliged to clear it with us. 1463 01:41:26,940 --> 01:41:30,250 ... a row has blown up on Merseyside 1464 01:41:30,420 --> 01:41:34,493 about a plan for the BCC to manufacture propanol 1465 01:41:34,660 --> 01:41:36,890 under licence for the Italian government. 1466 01:41:37,060 --> 01:41:39,733 Apparently, propanol contains metadioxin, 1467 01:41:39,900 --> 01:41:43,370 which the BCC claims to be completely harmless. 1468 01:41:43,540 --> 01:41:46,008 It is a compound of dioxin, 1469 01:41:46,180 --> 01:41:52,255 the chemical released after an explosion at Seveso in July 1976, 1470 01:41:52,420 --> 01:41:55,617 spreading poisonous dust over a 4-mile radius. 1471 01:41:57,420 --> 01:42:02,335 0n Merseyside, protesters voiced their opposition to the BCC scheme 1472 01:42:02,500 --> 01:42:04,411 outside the factory gates. 1473 01:42:04,580 --> 01:42:07,572 (CR0WD SH0UTING AND JEERING) 1474 01:42:10,580 --> 01:42:13,458 I'll tell you what we'll do. 1475 01:42:13,620 --> 01:42:17,613 Sir Wally can take his poison chemicals somewhere elsel 1476 01:42:17,780 --> 01:42:19,850 I've a daughter expecting a baby, 1477 01:42:20,020 --> 01:42:24,411 and my grandchild's not gonna be deformed for them bloody Eyeties' sakel 1478 01:42:26,060 --> 01:42:30,338 If the Government cared about people, they'd never allow itl 1479 01:42:31,060 --> 01:42:35,212 The BCC said a report on the safety of propanol 1480 01:42:35,380 --> 01:42:38,895 was due to be published shortly by the Department of Administrative Affairs. 1481 01:42:39,540 --> 01:42:42,293 And now abroad again... 1482 01:42:45,020 --> 01:42:49,059 - This metadioxin is dynamite. - It's totally harmless. 1483 01:42:49,220 --> 01:42:51,450 Only chemically, not politically. 1484 01:42:51,620 --> 01:42:55,090 - It can't hurt anyone. - It could finish me off! 1485 01:42:56,100 --> 01:42:59,775 Yes? Minister, Number 10 on the phone. 1486 01:42:59,940 --> 01:43:04,013 The political office - the PM's just seen the news. 1487 01:43:10,980 --> 01:43:12,971 Hello, Jim here! 1488 01:43:13,820 --> 01:43:16,050 Yes, I just saw that, too. 1489 01:43:16,220 --> 01:43:20,498 We don't need to be too worried about a little local difficulty. 1490 01:43:20,660 --> 01:43:24,369 Not in view of the jobs and exports... 1491 01:43:25,100 --> 01:43:27,091 No, not many jobs. 1492 01:43:28,020 --> 01:43:29,976 Ninety, I think. 1493 01:43:30,140 --> 01:43:31,937 Yes, but... 1494 01:43:32,500 --> 01:43:34,297 You do, do you? 1495 01:43:34,460 --> 01:43:36,416 Yes, well... 1496 01:43:36,580 --> 01:43:40,573 I was coming round to that viewpoint myself. 1497 01:43:46,580 --> 01:43:48,457 Humphrey... 1498 01:43:51,780 --> 01:43:54,897 - Something just struck me. - I noticed. 1499 01:43:57,220 --> 01:43:59,336 There are arguments against this scheme. 1500 01:44:00,020 --> 01:44:04,935 - Minister, you've already agreed... - It could lead to a loss of... 1501 01:44:05,100 --> 01:44:08,410 ...public confidence. - You mean votes? 1502 01:44:08,580 --> 01:44:14,098 Votes? No, no. It's not the votes that are a consideration at all. 1503 01:44:14,260 --> 01:44:16,854 But you see, it's the public will. 1504 01:44:17,020 --> 01:44:18,738 This is a democracy... 1505 01:44:18,900 --> 01:44:22,688 - and the people don't like it. - The people are ignorant and misguided. 1506 01:44:22,860 --> 01:44:25,579 It was the people who elected me! 1507 01:44:27,740 --> 01:44:30,857 In a week, the whole thing will have blown over, 1508 01:44:31,020 --> 01:44:35,457 and in a year's time, we'll have a safe and successful factory. 1509 01:44:35,620 --> 01:44:37,178 A week's a long time in politics. 1510 01:44:37,340 --> 01:44:39,331 A year's a short time in Government. 1511 01:44:39,500 --> 01:44:42,617 You're in Government, I'm in politics and the PM is not pleased. 1512 01:44:42,780 --> 01:44:46,853 - With the greatest respect... - Going to insult me again? 1513 01:44:47,020 --> 01:44:49,090 You're putting party before country. 1514 01:44:49,260 --> 01:44:51,569 Can't you think of a new cliché? 1515 01:44:51,740 --> 01:44:56,655 Minister, a new cliché could be said to be a contradiction in terms. 1516 01:44:56,820 --> 01:44:59,653 Humphrey, you lead a sheltered life. 1517 01:44:59,820 --> 01:45:02,254 I intend to survive and I'm not crossing the PM. 1518 01:45:02,420 --> 01:45:07,210 Why must you be so concerned with climbing the greasy pole? 1519 01:45:07,380 --> 01:45:09,848 The greasy pole is important. I have to climb it. 1520 01:45:10,020 --> 01:45:11,931 Why? 1521 01:45:12,660 --> 01:45:14,537 'Cause it's there! 1522 01:45:17,220 --> 01:45:20,895 The editor of the Times, please. Thank you, Bernard. 1523 01:45:24,740 --> 01:45:27,573 How come the Times knows about the report before I do? 1524 01:45:27,740 --> 01:45:30,777 - There's been a leak. - I know that! 1525 01:45:30,940 --> 01:45:34,455 It was "Confidential". I only got a draft last night. 1526 01:45:34,620 --> 01:45:36,929 - At least it wasn't "Restricted". - Why? 1527 01:45:37,100 --> 01:45:40,410 "Restricted" means it was in the papers yesterday. 1528 01:45:40,580 --> 01:45:44,539 "Confidential" means it won't be in the papers till today. 1529 01:45:44,700 --> 01:45:46,531 Who leaked this? Humphrey? 1530 01:45:46,700 --> 01:45:49,772 - I'm sure he didn't, Minister. - Are you? 1531 01:45:49,940 --> 01:45:53,171 - He probably didn't. - No? 1532 01:45:53,340 --> 01:45:58,095 - It might have been someone else. - These leaks are a disgrace! 1533 01:45:58,260 --> 01:46:02,219 - People think it's the politicians. - It has been known. 1534 01:46:04,380 --> 01:46:08,089 In my opinion, we're far more leaked against than leaking. 1535 01:46:08,900 --> 01:46:13,416 "Political cowardice to reject the BCC proposal... craven expediency." 1536 01:46:13,580 --> 01:46:15,571 "Hacker has no choice." 1537 01:46:15,740 --> 01:46:18,129 Humphrey thinks he's got me committed! 1538 01:46:18,300 --> 01:46:22,339 It's an unofficial leak of a draft report. You're committed to nothing. 1539 01:46:22,500 --> 01:46:25,572 Does the report give you a way out? 1540 01:46:26,420 --> 01:46:29,457 Sir Wally McFarlane is waiting to see you. 1541 01:46:29,620 --> 01:46:33,056 All right. But he's wasting his time. 1542 01:46:33,820 --> 01:46:37,210 - Come in, please, Sir Wally. - Thank you. Morning. 1543 01:46:37,380 --> 01:46:39,814 - Morning. - May I join you, Minister? 1544 01:46:41,260 --> 01:46:45,014 - If you like. Do sit down. - Thank you, Jim. 1545 01:46:45,180 --> 01:46:48,172 - Now... - Thank you, Bernard. 1546 01:46:50,140 --> 01:46:52,495 Sorry about that. 1547 01