1 00:00:43,287 --> 00:00:45,278 (CAR DOOR OPENS) 2 00:00:48,487 --> 00:00:51,081 - What is it today, sir? - The Ministry. 3 00:00:51,247 --> 00:00:54,683 All morning on Health Service administration. 4 00:00:54,847 --> 00:00:57,202 A chap just now on the radio 5 00:00:57,367 --> 00:01:01,485 said the trouble with health, education and transport 6 00:01:01,647 --> 00:01:04,844 is that people in Government go to private hospitals 7 00:01:05,007 --> 00:01:08,124 and send their kids to private schools! 8 00:01:08,287 --> 00:01:10,847 Comedy programme, was it? 9 00:01:11,007 --> 00:01:13,999 And go to work in chauffeur-driven cars! 10 00:01:15,687 --> 00:01:18,360 Think there's something in it, sir? 11 00:01:18,527 --> 00:01:21,758 If you and Sir Humphrey went to work on a number 27... 12 00:01:21,927 --> 00:01:23,246 Quite impracticable! 13 00:01:23,407 --> 00:01:27,923 We work long enough hours as it is, without having to wait at bus stops. 14 00:01:28,087 --> 00:01:31,762 - You'd need more efficient buses. - Certainly would. 15 00:01:31,927 --> 00:01:34,964 Yes, that's what he was saying. 16 00:01:35,927 --> 00:01:39,966 Same with the Health Service. You a member of BUPA, sir? 17 00:01:40,127 --> 00:01:43,563 - Anything on the radio, Roy? - "Yesterday in Parliament". 18 00:01:43,727 --> 00:01:45,285 Don't bother... 19 00:01:45,447 --> 00:01:48,837 (RADl0) Mr Lanford, opposition member for Birmingham, 20 00:01:49,007 --> 00:01:52,124 asked the Administrative Affairs Minister, James Hacker, 21 00:01:52,287 --> 00:01:55,802 about reducing administrators in the Health Service. 22 00:01:56,447 --> 00:02:00,963 (HACKER) We have already achieved a reduction of 11.3% 23 00:02:01,127 --> 00:02:03,357 in administrative staff 24 00:02:03,527 --> 00:02:06,803 and are actively pursuing further economies. 25 00:02:06,967 --> 00:02:10,846 (LANF0RD) Would you explain how his assurance to the House 26 00:02:11,007 --> 00:02:15,922 squares with this minute from his own department? 27 00:02:16,087 --> 00:02:19,716 (REP0RTER) Then Mr Lanford dramatically produced a paper. 28 00:02:19,887 --> 00:02:23,766 (LANF0RD) I quote, "If admin staff were reclassified 29 00:02:23,927 --> 00:02:25,918 "from administrative to technical..." 30 00:02:26,087 --> 00:02:27,440 (MPs CHEERING) 31 00:02:27,607 --> 00:02:32,237 "...and the comparison changed from the financial to calendar year, 32 00:02:32,407 --> 00:02:37,686 "then the figures will show a fall of 11.3%. " 33 00:02:37,847 --> 00:02:41,442 Would the Minister care to comment on this shabby deception? 34 00:02:42,647 --> 00:02:45,286 Bit of a googly, sir. 35 00:02:46,247 --> 00:02:49,603 (HACKER) I... er... I... erm... 36 00:02:49,767 --> 00:02:54,079 I have no knowledge of the document you're brandishing. 37 00:02:55,367 --> 00:02:58,803 (LANF0RD) I shall give the file reference to the Minister 38 00:02:58,967 --> 00:03:04,325 in exchange for an assurance of a full independent enquiry. 39 00:03:04,487 --> 00:03:05,920 (JEERING) 40 00:03:06,847 --> 00:03:08,963 (HACKER) I will give that assurance. 41 00:03:09,127 --> 00:03:13,086 (REP0RTER) The House read the Scottish Fisheries' Bill... 42 00:03:13,247 --> 00:03:16,683 That's a bit rough, innit? "A full independent enquiry"! 43 00:03:17,967 --> 00:03:22,085 - You were dropped in it there. - I think I got away with it. 44 00:03:22,247 --> 00:03:26,479 Lucky they didn't ask you about that new hospital, sir. 45 00:03:26,647 --> 00:03:31,562 They finished it 15 months ago, and it's still got no patients. 46 00:03:31,727 --> 00:03:34,366 The DHSS can't afford to staff it. 47 00:03:34,527 --> 00:03:38,440 It's got staff, 500 administrators. 48 00:03:38,607 --> 00:03:40,802 - Just no patients. - Who told you? 49 00:03:40,967 --> 00:03:44,357 My mate Charlie, a driver for the Health Secretary. 50 00:03:48,207 --> 00:03:50,118 - I'm appalled! - So am I. 51 00:03:50,287 --> 00:03:52,164 The incompetence of it! 52 00:03:52,327 --> 00:03:54,841 I can't think what came over you. 53 00:03:55,007 --> 00:03:56,520 I beg your pardon! 54 00:03:56,687 --> 00:04:01,363 - A full independent enquiry. - Humphrey, that's not what I meant. 55 00:04:01,527 --> 00:04:04,644 - But you mentioned incompetence. - Yours, Humphrey, yours! 56 00:04:05,167 --> 00:04:08,045 - Mine?! - You dropped me into it? 57 00:04:08,207 --> 00:04:13,042 We can't foresee a small omission from the brief, but a full enquiry?! 58 00:04:13,207 --> 00:04:17,166 I don't want an enquiry, but if you're drowning and thrown a rope... 59 00:04:17,327 --> 00:04:20,080 That wasn't a rope, it was a noose! 60 00:04:20,247 --> 00:04:22,442 You should've stood up for the department! 61 00:04:22,607 --> 00:04:25,599 I prepared thoroughly for yesterday's Question Time, 62 00:04:25,767 --> 00:04:31,717 but nowhere was the suggestion you'd juggled the figures so I'd mislead the House! 63 00:04:31,887 --> 00:04:36,802 You wanted the figures reduced? So we reduced the figures! 64 00:04:36,967 --> 00:04:41,438 - Yes, but not the administrators. - Of course not. 65 00:04:41,607 --> 00:04:46,476 - That's not what I meant. - Minister, one isn't a mind-reader! 66 00:04:46,647 --> 00:04:50,003 - You said reduce them, so we did. - And another thing: 67 00:04:50,167 --> 00:04:52,635 How did this get out? Another leak? 68 00:04:53,767 --> 00:04:56,804 This isn't a department, it's a colander! 69 00:04:56,967 --> 00:05:01,324 How can we govern responsibly, if backbenchers get all the facts? 70 00:05:01,487 --> 00:05:06,322 - The enquiry gives us some time. - So does a time-bomb! 71 00:05:06,487 --> 00:05:09,126 - Is there a disposal squad? - Disposal squad? 72 00:05:09,287 --> 00:05:13,121 Couldn't we get the independent enquiry to exonerate us? 73 00:05:14,487 --> 00:05:18,480 - Do you mean rig it? - No, no, no, no! 74 00:05:18,647 --> 00:05:20,239 Well... yes. 75 00:05:20,927 --> 00:05:22,246 Minister! 76 00:05:23,127 --> 00:05:25,561 It depends on who the chairman is. 77 00:05:25,727 --> 00:05:29,037 - He absolutely has to be sound. - Sound? 78 00:05:29,207 --> 00:05:34,600 He will know what is required. He will perceive the implications. 79 00:05:34,767 --> 00:05:38,476 He will have a sympathetic insight into the problems. 80 00:05:38,647 --> 00:05:41,525 In short, he will be "sound". 81 00:05:41,687 --> 00:05:43,439 You mean... bent? 82 00:05:43,607 --> 00:05:45,598 No, of course not! 83 00:05:45,767 --> 00:05:48,918 He will be a man of broad understanding... 84 00:05:49,087 --> 00:05:51,760 How about... a retired politician? 85 00:05:51,927 --> 00:05:54,600 ...and unimpeachable integrity. 86 00:05:54,767 --> 00:05:56,962 Yes, I see what you mean. 87 00:05:57,127 --> 00:05:59,243 - A businessman? - Oh, really! 88 00:05:59,407 --> 00:06:02,365 - An academic? - No, no, no. 89 00:06:02,527 --> 00:06:07,601 - Who've you got in mind? - Perhaps a retired civil servant. 90 00:06:07,767 --> 00:06:11,646 - Good thinking, Humphrey. - Sir Maurice Williams. 91 00:06:11,807 --> 00:06:13,957 Might not he be too independent? 92 00:06:14,127 --> 00:06:18,040 - Well, he's hoping for a peerage. - Not through this? 93 00:06:18,207 --> 00:06:22,041 No, but the right finding will earn him Brownie points! 94 00:06:22,207 --> 00:06:25,961 - Brownie points?! - They all add up towards the badge! 95 00:06:27,447 --> 00:06:30,484 - Well, Sir Maurice it is. - Thank you, Minister. 96 00:06:30,647 --> 00:06:33,161 Thank you... Brown Owl. 97 00:06:33,327 --> 00:06:34,646 Oh! 98 00:06:37,007 --> 00:06:39,157 Good morning, Bernard. 99 00:06:39,927 --> 00:06:43,397 - Two points... the Cuban refugees. - Not that again? 100 00:06:43,567 --> 00:06:46,923 It's about our refusal to do any more for them. 101 00:06:47,087 --> 00:06:50,875 It's not my fault, it's the Treasury. You can't beat the Treasury! 102 00:06:51,047 --> 00:06:52,844 I shall say nothing. 103 00:06:53,007 --> 00:06:58,525 One more public humiliation and I'll become a political refugee myself! 104 00:06:58,687 --> 00:07:03,078 - And the other point? - The alleged empty hospital. 105 00:07:03,247 --> 00:07:07,206 As I warned you, the driver's network is not wholly reliable. 106 00:07:07,367 --> 00:07:10,279 - Roy's wrong. - Thank heavens for that! 107 00:07:10,447 --> 00:07:14,235 - How did you find out? - The private secretaries' network. 108 00:07:14,407 --> 00:07:15,726 And? 109 00:07:15,887 --> 00:07:20,597 In fact, there are only 342 administrative staff at the hospital. 110 00:07:20,767 --> 00:07:25,158 The other 170 are porters, cleaners, laundry workers, cooks, etc. 111 00:07:25,327 --> 00:07:26,885 And medical staff? 112 00:07:27,047 --> 00:07:29,117 Oh, none of them. 113 00:07:29,887 --> 00:07:32,321 - None? - No! 114 00:07:32,487 --> 00:07:35,285 We are talking about St Edward's Hospital? 115 00:07:35,447 --> 00:07:38,200 Yes. It's brand-new and fully-staffed. 116 00:07:38,367 --> 00:07:41,086 Unfortunately, there were cutbacks, 117 00:07:41,247 --> 00:07:44,205 so there was no money for medical services. 118 00:07:44,367 --> 00:07:48,076 A hospital with over 500 non-medical staff and no patients? 119 00:07:48,247 --> 00:07:50,283 - There's one patient. - One? 120 00:07:50,447 --> 00:07:54,645 The deputy administrator fell over scaffolding and broke his leg. 121 00:07:54,807 --> 00:07:56,365 Good God! 122 00:07:56,527 --> 00:08:00,645 Thank heavens I wasn't asked about this! Why hasn't it got out? 123 00:08:00,807 --> 00:08:04,004 It's been contrived to look like a building site, 124 00:08:04,167 --> 00:08:07,318 and so far no one's realised it's operational! 125 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:10,763 You know, scaffolding, skips, the normal thing? 126 00:08:11,287 --> 00:08:14,916 Normal?! I'd better look at it before the opposition does. 127 00:08:15,087 --> 00:08:18,363 Yes, it's surprising the press haven't found out. 128 00:08:18,527 --> 00:08:21,360 Fortunately, most journalists are so incompetent, 129 00:08:21,527 --> 00:08:24,121 they wouldn't know today is Wednesday. 130 00:08:24,287 --> 00:08:27,245 It's actually Thursday, Minister. 131 00:08:31,647 --> 00:08:33,922 Let's sit down there. 132 00:08:34,087 --> 00:08:36,920 Why is your Minister interested in this hospital? 133 00:08:37,087 --> 00:08:40,716 He's greatly concerned that it has no patients. 134 00:08:40,887 --> 00:08:43,640 - It takes all sorts. - Yes. 135 00:08:43,807 --> 00:08:45,923 - Evening. - Good evening. 136 00:08:47,007 --> 00:08:51,876 How can there be patients when it has no nursing staff? 137 00:08:54,127 --> 00:08:56,516 - Thank you. - Splendid. 138 00:08:56,687 --> 00:08:58,962 - Sir Humphrey? - Thank you. 139 00:09:00,087 --> 00:09:05,445 We've found at the DHSS that it takes time to get things going. 140 00:09:06,647 --> 00:09:11,323 First of all, you have to sort out the smooth running of the hospital. 141 00:09:11,487 --> 00:09:15,275 Having patients around would be no help at all. 142 00:09:15,847 --> 00:09:18,281 They'd just be in the way. 143 00:09:18,447 --> 00:09:23,885 - Tell him this is the run-in period. - Yes, yes, the run-in period. 144 00:09:24,607 --> 00:09:27,804 How long is the run-in period going to last? 145 00:09:27,967 --> 00:09:30,845 My Minister's agreed to an independent enquiry. 146 00:09:31,007 --> 00:09:35,205 - You know what I think about that. - Yes, I know, but... 147 00:09:35,887 --> 00:09:40,961 ...we are going to get some patients into St Edward's... 148 00:09:41,847 --> 00:09:43,439 ...eventually? 149 00:09:44,287 --> 00:09:46,039 Aren't we? 150 00:09:46,207 --> 00:09:48,198 It's possible. 151 00:09:49,967 --> 00:09:52,765 Certainly our present intention. 152 00:09:53,847 --> 00:09:55,838 In a year or two. 153 00:09:56,767 --> 00:10:00,919 Probably... when the financial situation has eased up a bit. 154 00:10:01,087 --> 00:10:02,520 Not till then? 155 00:10:02,687 --> 00:10:06,965 How can I open 40 new wards when I'm closing everywhere else? 156 00:10:07,127 --> 00:10:12,121 - Treasury wouldn't wear it. - My Minister may want to shut the place. 157 00:10:12,287 --> 00:10:14,482 Impossible! What about the unions? 158 00:10:15,247 --> 00:10:19,445 - Are the unions active there yet? - Good point. 159 00:10:21,767 --> 00:10:25,999 Remember that firebrand agitator at Southwark Hospital? 160 00:10:27,607 --> 00:10:30,565 Billy Fraser, odious man. Could be useful. 161 00:10:30,727 --> 00:10:33,366 Time he was moved on. 162 00:10:37,007 --> 00:10:41,398 The Health Service is an advanced case of galloping bureaucracy! 163 00:10:41,567 --> 00:10:44,479 Oh, certainly not galloping! 164 00:10:46,727 --> 00:10:48,957 A gentle canter at the most. 165 00:10:49,127 --> 00:10:53,245 - Instances flood into this office. - From whom, Minister? 166 00:10:53,407 --> 00:10:56,683 MPs, constituents, doctors, nurses, the public. 167 00:10:56,847 --> 00:10:58,678 Trouble makers! 168 00:10:58,847 --> 00:11:01,645 - The public?! - They're the worst. 169 00:11:02,287 --> 00:11:03,640 Listen to this. 170 00:11:03,807 --> 00:11:06,879 "Stethoscope requisition: Due to current situation, 171 00:11:07,047 --> 00:11:11,120 "it is not possible to issue the extra stethoscopes applied for. 172 00:11:11,287 --> 00:11:17,476 "We can, however, supply longer tubes for your existing stethoscopes." 173 00:11:18,407 --> 00:11:21,956 - Well? - Doesn't that strike you as odd? 174 00:11:22,127 --> 00:11:25,085 - If they have long tubes... - No, no. 175 00:11:25,247 --> 00:11:28,717 No, not longer stethoscopes, MORE stethoscopes. 176 00:11:28,887 --> 00:11:31,560 If they had really long tubes, 177 00:11:31,727 --> 00:11:36,642 the doctor could stand in one place and listen to all the chests. 178 00:11:40,407 --> 00:11:42,523 What about nurses' uniforms? 179 00:11:42,687 --> 00:11:45,838 "Apparently the latest consignment of nurses' coats 180 00:11:46,207 --> 00:11:50,359 "is made of a see-through material; nurses issued with these 181 00:11:50,527 --> 00:11:55,078 "are requested to report to the Director of Uniform Surveillance 182 00:11:55,247 --> 00:11:59,798 "who will assess the extent of the problem." 183 00:11:59,967 --> 00:12:04,358 - Nice work if you can get it. - Humphrey, I'm serious! 184 00:12:05,407 --> 00:12:10,640 "Please note that the soft toilet rolls are for patients not staff. 185 00:12:10,807 --> 00:12:15,597 "It would appear that staff have been using the soft toilet rolls 186 00:12:15,767 --> 00:12:18,440 "for one reason or another." 187 00:12:20,007 --> 00:12:24,239 "St Stephen's Mortuary will be closed over Christmas. 188 00:12:24,407 --> 00:12:27,604 "During the holiday, medical staff are to cooperate 189 00:12:27,767 --> 00:12:30,759 "in keeping pressure off this department." 190 00:12:32,287 --> 00:12:34,596 A very civil and reasonable request. 191 00:12:34,767 --> 00:12:40,399 You think the rest of the year doctors work hard to keep it busy? 192 00:12:40,967 --> 00:12:43,765 These are a few isolated examples. 193 00:12:43,927 --> 00:12:49,206 The Health Service is as efficient as the Government allows it. 194 00:12:49,367 --> 00:12:52,279 Nonsense! The figures speak for themselves. 195 00:12:52,447 --> 00:12:57,475 In ten years, the number of administrators has risen by 40,000. 196 00:12:57,647 --> 00:13:01,083 The number of hospital beds has fallen by 60,000. 197 00:13:01,247 --> 00:13:07,243 The annual cost of the Health Service has gone up by £1.5 billion! 198 00:13:07,407 --> 00:13:11,400 If only British industry could match this growth record. 199 00:13:11,567 --> 00:13:15,446 You think spending more money on fewer patients 200 00:13:15,607 --> 00:13:18,041 so we can employ more administrators 201 00:13:18,207 --> 00:13:22,041 is a good way of spending the taxpayer's money? 202 00:13:22,207 --> 00:13:23,526 Certainly. 203 00:13:23,687 --> 00:13:27,362 This money is solely to make sick people better. 204 00:13:27,527 --> 00:13:30,405 No, no, no, Minister. 205 00:13:30,567 --> 00:13:33,127 It is to make everybody better. 206 00:13:33,287 --> 00:13:37,644 Better for showing the extent of their care and compassion. 207 00:13:37,807 --> 00:13:43,086 You see, when money is allocated to the Health or Social Services, 208 00:13:43,247 --> 00:13:46,637 Parliament and the country feel... cleansed. 209 00:13:47,647 --> 00:13:51,242 Purified. Absolved. It is a sacrifice. 210 00:13:51,407 --> 00:13:53,284 Dreadful claptrap! 211 00:13:54,007 --> 00:13:59,525 After the sacrifice, nobody questions what happened to the offering. 212 00:13:59,687 --> 00:14:05,637 - The public does care if it's misspent. - They care it's not seen to be misspent. 213 00:14:05,807 --> 00:14:11,006 That's not true. Look at the uproar over mental hospital scandals. 214 00:14:11,167 --> 00:14:13,044 My point exactly. 215 00:14:13,207 --> 00:14:16,722 Those abuses had been going on happily for years. 216 00:14:16,887 --> 00:14:20,880 Nobody was concerned what was being done with their money. 217 00:14:21,047 --> 00:14:25,438 - What outraged them was being told! - A cynical smokescreen! 218 00:14:25,607 --> 00:14:30,920 Do we not agree there's no point in a hospital run solely for the staff? 219 00:14:31,087 --> 00:14:36,081 - That's not how I would express it. - It's how I would. 220 00:14:36,247 --> 00:14:38,238 Indeed. 221 00:14:39,247 --> 00:14:42,717 - How would you express it? - At the end of the day, 222 00:14:42,887 --> 00:14:46,004 one of a hospital's prime functions is patient care. 223 00:14:46,167 --> 00:14:47,486 One? 224 00:14:47,647 --> 00:14:51,560 Until we have the money for nursing and medical staff, 225 00:14:51,727 --> 00:14:55,766 it's a function we can't pursue. In 18 months or so... 226 00:14:55,927 --> 00:14:59,124 - 18 months? ...we can open some wards. 227 00:14:59,287 --> 00:15:01,642 No, it's got to be now. 228 00:15:02,807 --> 00:15:06,277 I suppose we could form an inter-departmental committee 229 00:15:06,447 --> 00:15:09,564 to examine the feasibility of monitoring a proposal 230 00:15:09,727 --> 00:15:12,400 for admitting patients earlier. 231 00:15:12,847 --> 00:15:15,884 - How long would that take to report? - Not long. 232 00:15:16,047 --> 00:15:19,483 How long? About 18 months...! 233 00:15:20,207 --> 00:15:23,802 I suggest we get rid of all the staff there 234 00:15:23,967 --> 00:15:28,483 and use the money to open closed wards in other hospitals. 235 00:15:28,647 --> 00:15:34,040 When we can afford it, we open St Edward's with medical staff. 236 00:15:34,207 --> 00:15:37,995 Do that and you'll delay the opening for patients for years. 237 00:15:38,167 --> 00:15:41,523 You talk as if the staff have nothing to do! 238 00:15:41,687 --> 00:15:44,042 - What do they do? - Really, Minister! 239 00:15:44,207 --> 00:15:47,279 There's a large number of extremely busy departments. 240 00:15:47,447 --> 00:15:51,122 Firstly, the Contingency Department for fires, strikes, air raids, 241 00:15:51,287 --> 00:15:54,597 nuclear war, epidemics, food or water poisoning. 242 00:15:54,767 --> 00:15:58,806 In such a crisis, the hospital is a key centre for survival. 243 00:15:58,967 --> 00:16:01,640 Then, the Data and Research Department, 244 00:16:01,807 --> 00:16:06,278 conducting a full-scale demographic survey of the catchment area. 245 00:16:06,447 --> 00:16:09,917 We have to anticipate the future requirements for maternity, 246 00:16:10,087 --> 00:16:14,126 geriatrics, paediatrics and the male/female balance. 247 00:16:14,287 --> 00:16:17,359 Thirdly, there's Finance - projected accounts, 248 00:16:17,527 --> 00:16:20,280 balance sheets and cash-flow budgets. 249 00:16:20,447 --> 00:16:25,567 Then, the Purchasing Department for purchasing medical equipment, 250 00:16:25,727 --> 00:16:29,959 examining estimates, looking at price lists and catalogues... 251 00:16:30,127 --> 00:16:32,004 Purchasing what? 252 00:16:32,167 --> 00:16:33,725 Everything, Minister. 253 00:16:33,887 --> 00:16:37,846 Everything from brain scanners to Brasso! May I continue? 254 00:16:38,007 --> 00:16:39,326 Be briefer. 255 00:16:40,207 --> 00:16:44,325 Would that I could, Minister, but you need to understand. 256 00:16:44,487 --> 00:16:47,365 Fifth, the Technical Department for evaluations. 257 00:16:47,527 --> 00:16:51,884 Sixth, the Building Department dealing with Phase 3 plans, 258 00:16:52,047 --> 00:16:57,041 costing and so forth for the final phase to be completed by 1994. 259 00:16:57,207 --> 00:17:00,040 Then, there's Maintenance, Cleaning and Catering, 260 00:17:00,207 --> 00:17:04,246 Personnel in charge of leave, National Health Insurance, salaries, 261 00:17:04,407 --> 00:17:09,561 as well as staff welfare officers to look after the 500 employees. 262 00:17:09,727 --> 00:17:12,605 - And finally, Administration. - Administrators! 263 00:17:12,767 --> 00:17:15,156 More administrators administrating other administrators! 264 00:17:15,327 --> 00:17:17,887 This is important work, Minister. 265 00:17:18,047 --> 00:17:21,722 The typing pool, stationery, office furniture and equipment. 266 00:17:21,887 --> 00:17:26,802 - Liaison between departments. - Are you being serious or not? 267 00:17:26,967 --> 00:17:31,245 - What do you mean? - There are NO patients! 268 00:17:31,407 --> 00:17:34,479 That is what a hospital's for. Patients! 269 00:17:34,647 --> 00:17:37,559 Ill people! Healing the sick! 270 00:17:37,727 --> 00:17:43,404 But all these vital tasks must be done with or without patients. 271 00:17:44,087 --> 00:17:45,998 Why? 272 00:17:46,927 --> 00:17:49,805 - Why? - Why? 273 00:17:51,007 --> 00:17:53,202 I don't understand. 274 00:17:53,367 --> 00:17:56,086 How else can I express it? Why? 275 00:17:56,247 --> 00:17:58,920 Would you sack the army because there's no war? 276 00:17:59,087 --> 00:18:02,921 Completely different! A hospital must produce results. 277 00:18:03,087 --> 00:18:08,719 We don't measure our success by results but by activity. 278 00:18:08,887 --> 00:18:13,244 Those 500 people are seriously overworked! 279 00:18:15,847 --> 00:18:19,283 The full establishment should be 650. 280 00:18:19,447 --> 00:18:21,881 May I show you the paperwork? 281 00:18:22,047 --> 00:18:25,278 No, Humphrey. Enough is enough. Sack them! 282 00:18:25,887 --> 00:18:28,799 Out of the question, Minister. 283 00:18:28,967 --> 00:18:32,482 We need administrators or the hospital will never open. 284 00:18:32,647 --> 00:18:36,117 - Sack the ancillary staff. - The unions won't wear it. 285 00:18:36,287 --> 00:18:41,156 Sack half and use the money to get doctors and nurses, 286 00:18:41,327 --> 00:18:43,682 and open some wards! 287 00:18:43,847 --> 00:18:47,681 No, Humphrey, that's my last word. My last word! 288 00:18:47,847 --> 00:18:49,917 You may go! 289 00:18:51,407 --> 00:18:55,559 Very well, Minister. I shall have a word with the unions. 290 00:18:56,567 --> 00:19:00,082 - But I don't hold out much hope. - Go! 291 00:19:02,407 --> 00:19:05,763 That seems to be everything. Thank you for coming. 292 00:19:12,247 --> 00:19:14,966 Thank you very much. 293 00:19:16,047 --> 00:19:18,083 Very good meeting. 294 00:19:18,247 --> 00:19:21,478 - Got time for a drink? - A quick one. 295 00:19:21,647 --> 00:19:24,207 The usual? Make yourself at home. 296 00:19:24,367 --> 00:19:25,766 Thank you. 297 00:19:31,527 --> 00:19:35,236 What are we going to do about St Edward's? 298 00:19:35,407 --> 00:19:37,477 St Edward's Hospital? 299 00:19:37,647 --> 00:19:41,322 Not much of a case. Can't fight you on it. 300 00:19:42,127 --> 00:19:44,197 What do you mean? 301 00:19:44,367 --> 00:19:49,600 We realise you can't keep ancillary staff on in an empty hospital. 302 00:19:50,167 --> 00:19:52,965 Isn't that a bit defeatist? 303 00:19:53,887 --> 00:19:55,923 What? 304 00:19:56,087 --> 00:19:59,682 - Surely, you can stick up for them? - You want us to...? 305 00:19:59,847 --> 00:20:02,964 It's not just your workers, you know? 306 00:20:03,127 --> 00:20:08,565 The 342 civil servants must have some workers to administer. 307 00:20:08,727 --> 00:20:13,562 - Civil servants are never laid off. - We live in disturbing times. 308 00:20:14,367 --> 00:20:19,202 You mean, if we take industrial action, you'll support us? 309 00:20:19,367 --> 00:20:22,677 My dear Brian, I am the Permanent Secretary. 310 00:20:22,847 --> 00:20:25,805 My task is to turn the wheels of government. 311 00:20:25,967 --> 00:20:29,357 I couldn't possibly countenance any such action. 312 00:20:30,487 --> 00:20:36,357 But... if there were effective opposition from the ancillary workers, 313 00:20:36,527 --> 00:20:39,246 the civil servants would have to stay. 314 00:20:39,407 --> 00:20:40,965 And the Minister? 315 00:20:41,127 --> 00:20:45,518 The Minister doesn't know his ACAS from his NALGO. 316 00:20:50,607 --> 00:20:53,280 I haven't got much of a case. 317 00:20:53,447 --> 00:20:57,599 Hospital empty for 15 months, wards not open for another year. 318 00:20:57,767 --> 00:21:01,965 Pull yourself together. Think of your members' wives and children. 319 00:21:02,127 --> 00:21:05,164 Their... cats... budgies! 320 00:21:05,327 --> 00:21:07,761 They're resigned to it by now. 321 00:21:08,527 --> 00:21:12,042 Is Billy Fraser resigned to it? 322 00:21:12,727 --> 00:21:15,195 Yes... but he's over at Southwark. 323 00:21:16,087 --> 00:21:18,965 Do you want to bet? 324 00:21:19,407 --> 00:21:20,806 You mean...? 325 00:21:22,127 --> 00:21:27,326 Well, that's a different matter, with some real shop-floor militancy. 326 00:21:27,487 --> 00:21:30,763 You see? Unity. Solidarity. 327 00:21:31,527 --> 00:21:34,485 - Thanks for the drink. - Thank you, Brother. 328 00:21:34,647 --> 00:21:39,038 Please give my kind regards to our fraternal comrades. 329 00:21:41,807 --> 00:21:46,403 # We shall not We shall not be moved # 330 00:22:09,687 --> 00:22:13,396 Minister, this is Mrs Rogers, the chief administrator. 331 00:22:13,567 --> 00:22:17,719 - Nice to meet you. - Billy Fraser, committee chairman. 332 00:22:17,887 --> 00:22:22,563 - How nice to meet you. - I wouldn't be too sure. 333 00:22:29,047 --> 00:22:31,845 This is 'F' ward. 334 00:22:37,127 --> 00:22:40,642 (RACKET OF TYPEWRITERS AND PHONES) 335 00:22:44,487 --> 00:22:47,285 (PHONES RING INCESSANTLY) 336 00:22:50,887 --> 00:22:53,685 And this is 'J' theatre. 337 00:22:56,327 --> 00:23:02,880 - How much did all this cost? - With radiotherapy... two and a quarter million. 338 00:23:03,047 --> 00:23:08,758 - It's appalling it's not used! - No, a very good thing in some ways. 339 00:23:08,927 --> 00:23:12,522 Prolongs its life, cuts down running costs. 340 00:23:12,687 --> 00:23:14,803 But there are no patients! 341 00:23:14,967 --> 00:23:17,640 But essential work has to go on. 342 00:23:17,807 --> 00:23:20,367 Aren't patients essential work? 343 00:23:20,527 --> 00:23:24,202 Running an organisation of 500 people is a big job. 344 00:23:24,367 --> 00:23:27,882 But if they weren't here, they wouldn't be here! 345 00:23:28,047 --> 00:23:30,117 This is wrong. It won't do. 346 00:23:30,287 --> 00:23:33,359 Either get some patients or I'll close it. 347 00:23:33,527 --> 00:23:38,476 - Well, in the course of time... - Not in the course of time. Now! 348 00:23:38,647 --> 00:23:44,040 Get rid of 300 staff, get some doctors and get some patients! 349 00:23:44,207 --> 00:23:48,439 Without those 300 people this hospital wouldn't function! 350 00:23:48,607 --> 00:23:50,643 And it's functioning now? 351 00:23:50,807 --> 00:23:55,005 Minister, it's one of the best-run hospitals in the country. 352 00:23:55,167 --> 00:23:57,965 It's up for a Florence Nightingale Award. 353 00:23:58,127 --> 00:24:02,757 - What, pray, is that? - "The Most Hygienic Hospital". 354 00:24:03,327 --> 00:24:06,763 I've said my last word. 300 staff must go. 355 00:24:06,927 --> 00:24:12,684 - 300 jobs lost?! - Surgery with a skeleton staff?! 356 00:24:12,847 --> 00:24:17,796 Don't do any surgery. Do varicose veins, piles... Do something! 357 00:24:17,967 --> 00:24:21,721 - You mean 300 jobs lost?! - Yes, I do. 358 00:24:21,887 --> 00:24:25,596 A hospital is a place for healing of the sick! 359 00:24:25,767 --> 00:24:30,045 It's employment for my members, and you want to sack them. 360 00:24:30,207 --> 00:24:32,801 Is that your compassionate society? 361 00:24:32,967 --> 00:24:35,959 Compassionate to patients rather than your members! 362 00:24:36,127 --> 00:24:38,721 We'll come out on strike. 363 00:24:39,487 --> 00:24:41,762 Very well, do that. 364 00:24:41,927 --> 00:24:46,478 Who can it harm? Do, please! Strike, the sooner the better! 365 00:24:46,647 --> 00:24:51,960 Take the administrators with you. Then we shan't have to pay you. 366 00:25:01,647 --> 00:25:05,879 - How about a drink before home? - Yes. Thank you, Minister. 367 00:25:06,047 --> 00:25:10,325 - That went well at the hospital. - Yes, Minister. 368 00:25:10,487 --> 00:25:13,843 - I wasn't standing any argument. - No, Minister. 369 00:25:14,007 --> 00:25:18,364 Threatening to strike! Played right into my hands. Cheers! 370 00:25:18,527 --> 00:25:21,325 Aren't we missing the news? 371 00:25:22,607 --> 00:25:28,523 0ur diplomatic correspondent says the US is pressuring the UK 372 00:25:28,687 --> 00:25:31,076 to take Cuban refugees. 373 00:25:31,247 --> 00:25:33,522 The Government has made no comment. 374 00:25:33,687 --> 00:25:35,564 Got no money. 375 00:25:35,727 --> 00:25:42,360 All workers in London hospitals are to go on strike at Friday midnight. 376 00:25:43,087 --> 00:25:45,647 Right... What?! 377 00:25:45,807 --> 00:25:48,401 A row has blown up at St Edwards 378 00:25:48,567 --> 00:25:52,924 over the proposed laying-off of 170 ancillary workers. 379 00:25:53,087 --> 00:25:55,555 We spoke to activist Billy Fraser. 380 00:25:55,727 --> 00:25:58,719 We're striking against unemployment. 381 00:25:58,887 --> 00:26:02,243 We can bring London's hospitals to a complete standstill. 382 00:26:02,887 --> 00:26:07,563 There'll be no blood transfusions, no cancer treatment, nothingl 383 00:26:07,727 --> 00:26:10,639 Till we have the compassionate society. 384 00:26:10,807 --> 00:26:15,881 - How can you do this to patients? - It's Mr Hacker that's doing it. 385 00:26:16,047 --> 00:26:20,359 But you're inflicting terrible sanctions on the innocent public. 386 00:26:20,527 --> 00:26:25,726 I'd like to take this opportunity to assure the general public, 387 00:26:25,887 --> 00:26:30,278 every stone will be left unturned in a search for a settlement. 388 00:26:32,567 --> 00:26:36,765 Have you seen the news? You said you'd talk to the unions! 389 00:26:36,927 --> 00:26:41,205 - What are we going to do? - We have a more serious problem. 390 00:26:41,367 --> 00:26:44,598 Sir Maurice's independent enquiry about the department. 391 00:26:44,767 --> 00:26:46,883 It's unfavourable to us. 392 00:26:47,047 --> 00:26:49,117 You said he was sound! 393 00:26:49,287 --> 00:26:53,326 I know, but he's also working as chairman 394 00:26:53,487 --> 00:26:56,126 of the Refugee Resettlement Committee. 395 00:26:56,287 --> 00:27:00,599 There are more Brownie points for refugees than enquiries! 396 00:27:00,767 --> 00:27:02,485 Precisely, Minister. 397 00:27:02,647 --> 00:27:05,605 We've no money to re-house the refugees. 398 00:27:06,127 --> 00:27:08,687 - Minister? - I don't want to talk! 399 00:27:08,847 --> 00:27:10,997 It's Number 10... 400 00:27:14,967 --> 00:27:16,400 Hello, Ji... 401 00:27:16,567 --> 00:27:18,159 Yes. Quite. 402 00:27:18,327 --> 00:27:19,646 I see. 403 00:27:19,807 --> 00:27:22,037 Not at all. Thank you. 404 00:27:22,607 --> 00:27:24,996 They've seen Fraser on the news. 405 00:27:25,167 --> 00:27:28,000 They want a peace formula soon! 406 00:27:28,167 --> 00:27:34,800 Sir Maurice says he'll be satisfied only if the UK will house 1,000 refugees. 407 00:27:34,967 --> 00:27:39,483 But we haven't the money. Or for 1,000 hospital beds... 408 00:27:40,567 --> 00:27:44,242 - How many refugees? - 1,000. 409 00:27:44,407 --> 00:27:47,479 1,000 refugees? 1,000 beds! 410 00:27:47,647 --> 00:27:53,085 Minister, that hospital is for sick British not healthy foreigners! 411 00:27:53,247 --> 00:27:56,637 - There's a huge waiting list. - Didn't you just say 412 00:27:56,807 --> 00:28:00,686 Sir Maurice's enquiry was likely to come down against us? 413 00:28:00,847 --> 00:28:03,919 - That's a... - That what you want? 414 00:28:05,287 --> 00:28:07,801 I see your point, Minister. 415 00:28:07,967 --> 00:28:12,483 Bernard, reinstate all the workers at St Edward's. 416 00:28:12,647 --> 00:28:15,957 Tell Sir Maurice we can offer a new hospital, 417 00:28:16,127 --> 00:28:18,721 with accommodation for 1,000 refugees. 418 00:28:18,887 --> 00:28:22,926 Tell the press it was my decision and that everybody's happy. 419 00:28:23,087 --> 00:28:27,126 - Do want to give a quote, Minister? - Why not? Say... 420 00:28:27,287 --> 00:28:31,838 "It was a tough decision, but a necessary one. 421 00:28:33,927 --> 00:28:37,966 "If Britain is to retain the name of..." 422 00:28:38,127 --> 00:28:41,802 - "The compassionate society"? - Thank you. 423 00:28:41,967 --> 00:28:44,720 "...the compassionate society." Got that? 424 00:28:44,887 --> 00:28:47,321 Yes, Minister. 425 00:30:14,647 --> 00:30:17,036 We can't economise in accommodation? 426 00:30:17,207 --> 00:30:19,323 (WOMAN) 'Fraid not, Minister. 427 00:30:19,487 --> 00:30:23,639 - Data-processing equipment? - Not possible. 428 00:30:23,807 --> 00:30:28,198 - The further education budget? - Sadly, it can't be. 429 00:30:29,487 --> 00:30:32,957 At least the universities won't cost us as much, 430 00:30:33,127 --> 00:30:37,006 with overseas students paying fees covering education costs. 431 00:30:37,167 --> 00:30:41,922 - Unless you make exceptions...? - No, sorry, no exceptions. 432 00:30:42,087 --> 00:30:43,998 At least, that's one saving. 433 00:30:44,167 --> 00:30:47,842 - Minister, it's... - Yes, of course. 434 00:30:48,007 --> 00:30:50,601 That's all, I'm afraid. Meeting over. 435 00:30:50,767 --> 00:30:53,122 - Thank you - Thank you. 436 00:30:53,287 --> 00:30:55,198 Before Sir Humphrey comes, 437 00:30:55,367 --> 00:31:00,077 Number 10 asked you to approve recommendations for the honours list. 438 00:31:00,247 --> 00:31:02,681 That's the eighth time you've asked. 439 00:31:02,847 --> 00:31:06,078 Are honours the most serious concern of this department? 440 00:31:06,247 --> 00:31:10,957 They are to the people on the list. Some haven't slept for days! 441 00:31:11,127 --> 00:31:15,359 What are they worried about? Ministers never veto honours. 442 00:31:15,527 --> 00:31:19,122 It's possible. They're worried about the delay. 443 00:31:19,287 --> 00:31:23,280 How do people know they're listed? It's marked "Strictly Confidential". 444 00:31:23,447 --> 00:31:25,199 Oh, Minister... 445 00:31:27,047 --> 00:31:28,605 Silly of me. 446 00:31:28,767 --> 00:31:32,726 If they'd put some of that effort into cutting expenditure... 447 00:31:32,887 --> 00:31:36,004 How can I make people want economies 448 00:31:36,167 --> 00:31:39,762 in the same way they want OBEs and KCBs? 449 00:31:39,927 --> 00:31:43,442 I've been thinking... No, no, no. 450 00:31:43,607 --> 00:31:46,246 - What? - No, no, nothing... 451 00:31:46,967 --> 00:31:48,366 Spit it out. 452 00:31:48,887 --> 00:31:53,483 It's not my place, and I couldn't possibly recommend it... 453 00:31:53,647 --> 00:31:57,765 Suppose you were to refuse to recommend any honours 454 00:31:57,927 --> 00:32:02,921 for civil servants who hadn't cut their budgets by 5%...? 455 00:32:03,967 --> 00:32:06,925 - Bernard! - Sorry, Minister... 456 00:32:07,087 --> 00:32:10,204 No, Bernard! It's brilliant! 457 00:32:11,607 --> 00:32:16,123 It's the answer. It's the only hold we have over the civil servants. 458 00:32:16,287 --> 00:32:19,757 I can't stop their pay rises or their promotions. 459 00:32:19,927 --> 00:32:24,443 I don't even write their reports, but I can withhold their honours! 460 00:32:24,607 --> 00:32:27,883 - Well done. - You thought of it, Minister. 461 00:32:28,047 --> 00:32:32,279 - No, no, you thought of it. - No, you thought of it. 462 00:32:33,247 --> 00:32:35,636 Please! 463 00:32:38,047 --> 00:32:42,086 Just a touch, please. Thank you very much. 464 00:32:42,247 --> 00:32:46,160 Splendid dinner. I always enjoy my visits here. 465 00:32:46,327 --> 00:32:49,558 I'm afraid this could be your last. 466 00:32:49,727 --> 00:32:53,515 Why? Did I pass the port the wrong way? 467 00:32:53,687 --> 00:32:57,521 - Tell him, Bursar. - The college's going to the wall. 468 00:32:57,687 --> 00:33:03,125 It's your new policy of charging overseas students full rates. 469 00:33:03,287 --> 00:33:05,596 Other Oxford colleges can cope, 470 00:33:05,767 --> 00:33:10,522 but we've always had many overseas students here at Baillie. 471 00:33:10,687 --> 00:33:14,236 You simply charge them a full fee, no problem. 472 00:33:14,407 --> 00:33:18,320 Unless they can't pay £4,000 a year. They won't come. 473 00:33:18,487 --> 00:33:24,801 I've been all over the USA, selling them the idea of an Oxford education. 474 00:33:24,967 --> 00:33:27,879 Africa is crawling with British professors 475 00:33:28,047 --> 00:33:32,677 frantically trying to flog sociology courses to the natives. 476 00:33:32,847 --> 00:33:37,079 And India and the Middle East. Competition is cut-throat. 477 00:33:37,247 --> 00:33:41,559 Why not fill up vacancies with British undergraduates? 478 00:33:41,727 --> 00:33:44,878 I don't think that's awfully funny, Humphrey. 479 00:33:46,007 --> 00:33:51,035 - I wasn't trying to be funny. - Anything but home students! 480 00:33:51,207 --> 00:33:56,565 - Why? - We only get 500 a head for them. 481 00:33:56,727 --> 00:34:01,482 We'd have to take 400 to replace a mere 50 foreigners. 482 00:34:01,647 --> 00:34:06,118 The staff/student ratio would go from 1:10 to 1:34. 483 00:34:06,287 --> 00:34:11,566 We'd have classrooms, dormitories... like Wormwood Scrubs! 484 00:34:12,367 --> 00:34:15,120 Or the University of Sussex! 485 00:34:18,047 --> 00:34:23,246 The Master thinks the pictures may fetch £20-30,000. 486 00:34:23,407 --> 00:34:25,716 The pictures and silver together 487 00:34:25,887 --> 00:34:29,277 might just pay the mortgage interest. 488 00:34:29,447 --> 00:34:32,041 Dear, oh, dear! 489 00:34:32,207 --> 00:34:36,723 Or we could get the Government to treat us as an exception. 490 00:34:36,887 --> 00:34:39,560 Interestingly, Humphrey, 491 00:34:39,727 --> 00:34:44,881 it seems to be your Minister who has the authority. 492 00:34:48,967 --> 00:34:54,280 How might one persuade a Minister of the importance of Baillie College? 493 00:34:54,447 --> 00:34:58,565 Why not get him down to a High Table dinner? 494 00:34:58,727 --> 00:35:03,676 Is he of the intellectual calibre to understand our case? 495 00:35:04,567 --> 00:35:06,797 Oh, yes! 496 00:35:08,607 --> 00:35:10,518 It's intelligible to anyone 497 00:35:10,687 --> 00:35:13,804 with the intellectual calibre of Winnie the Pooh! 498 00:35:13,967 --> 00:35:15,764 Quite! 499 00:35:15,927 --> 00:35:20,921 And Hacker is of the intellectual calibre of Winnie the Pooh? 500 00:35:22,367 --> 00:35:24,164 Oh, yes! 501 00:35:25,167 --> 00:35:27,078 On his day. 502 00:35:30,327 --> 00:35:32,636 - Morning, Minister. - Morning, Humphrey. 503 00:35:32,807 --> 00:35:34,604 Two things, Minister. 504 00:35:34,767 --> 00:35:40,205 Firstly, the departmental recommendations for the honours list. 505 00:35:40,367 --> 00:35:43,564 - The honours list again! - Yes, Minister. 506 00:35:43,727 --> 00:35:48,323 - Let's leave that for the moment. - We can't leave it, Minister. 507 00:35:48,487 --> 00:35:51,797 - It's getting near the five weeks. - Five weeks? 508 00:35:51,967 --> 00:35:54,925 All recipients are notified five weeks before. 509 00:35:55,087 --> 00:35:57,157 It gives them time to refuse. 510 00:35:57,327 --> 00:36:00,922 When did a civil servant last refuse an honour?! 511 00:36:01,087 --> 00:36:03,840 Somebody in the Treasury refused a knighthood. 512 00:36:04,007 --> 00:36:07,443 - When? - I think it was 1496. 513 00:36:08,087 --> 00:36:11,204 - Why? - He'd already got one. 514 00:36:11,367 --> 00:36:14,598 - If you've approved the list... - Humphrey... 515 00:36:14,767 --> 00:36:18,077 ...did you know that 20% of honours go to civil servants? 516 00:36:18,247 --> 00:36:21,045 A fitting tribute to their devotion to duty. 517 00:36:21,207 --> 00:36:23,277 That's what they get paid for. 518 00:36:23,447 --> 00:36:27,326 The rest of us have to do something special to get an honour. 519 00:36:27,487 --> 00:36:32,356 They work for years with the mentally handicapped to get an MBE. 520 00:36:32,527 --> 00:36:35,758 Your knighthoods simply come up with the rations. 521 00:36:35,927 --> 00:36:39,761 Minister, her Majesty's civil servants spend their lives 522 00:36:39,927 --> 00:36:45,365 working for a modest wage and at the end retire into obscurity. 523 00:36:45,527 --> 00:36:49,486 Honours are a small reward for a lifetime of loyal, 524 00:36:49,647 --> 00:36:54,880 self-effacing discretion and devoted service to the nation. 525 00:36:55,047 --> 00:36:57,402 - "A modest wage"? - Alas, yes. 526 00:36:57,567 --> 00:37:00,877 You get over £30,000 a year! 527 00:37:01,047 --> 00:37:05,757 - That's £7,000 more than I get. - But still relatively modest. 528 00:37:05,927 --> 00:37:08,805 Relative to whom? 529 00:37:08,967 --> 00:37:11,322 Elizabeth Taylor, for example. 530 00:37:12,127 --> 00:37:14,687 You are not relative to Elizabeth Taylor. 531 00:37:15,207 --> 00:37:17,801 There are important differences. 532 00:37:17,967 --> 00:37:21,596 Indeed, yes. She didn't get a first at Oxford. 533 00:37:21,767 --> 00:37:23,803 And retire into obscurity?! 534 00:37:23,967 --> 00:37:29,087 You take a massive pension and become directors of oil companies. 535 00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:31,283 But very obscure directors. 536 00:37:31,447 --> 00:37:35,759 You're in no danger of the sack. In industry, you get the boot. 537 00:37:35,927 --> 00:37:39,078 In the civil service, if you screw up, I get the boot! 538 00:37:39,247 --> 00:37:42,922 - Very droll, Minister. The list... - No, Humphrey. 539 00:37:43,087 --> 00:37:47,444 I'll not approve any honour to any civil servant who hasn't earned it. 540 00:37:48,287 --> 00:37:51,643 - What do you mean, "earned it"? - I mean "earned it". 541 00:37:51,807 --> 00:37:56,642 - Done something to deserve it. - But that's unheard of! 542 00:37:57,167 --> 00:38:02,195 My new policy is to withhold all honours from civil servants 543 00:38:02,367 --> 00:38:07,919 who do not make a cut in their budgets of 5% per year. 544 00:38:09,847 --> 00:38:12,156 Your silence indicates approval? 545 00:38:12,327 --> 00:38:16,286 It does not! Where did you get that preposterous idea? 546 00:38:17,087 --> 00:38:18,440 It... 547 00:38:21,727 --> 00:38:26,721 ...just came to me. - It's ridiculous! Unheard of! 548 00:38:26,887 --> 00:38:29,447 The whole idea is... It's... 549 00:38:29,607 --> 00:38:32,644 It strikes at the very roots of... 550 00:38:32,807 --> 00:38:35,401 It's the beginning of the end! 551 00:38:35,567 --> 00:38:39,799 The thin end of the wedge! A Bennite solution! 552 00:38:39,967 --> 00:38:42,561 What next? Abolition of the monarchy? 553 00:38:42,727 --> 00:38:44,365 Don't be absurd. 554 00:38:44,527 --> 00:38:47,803 The system has worked so well in the past. 555 00:38:47,967 --> 00:38:49,286 It hasn't. 556 00:38:49,447 --> 00:38:53,679 - Give it a fair trial. - I thought you might say that... 557 00:38:53,847 --> 00:39:00,605 The Most Noble Order of the Garter was founded in 1348 by Edward III. 558 00:39:00,767 --> 00:39:03,679 It's at the end of its trial period now. 559 00:39:03,847 --> 00:39:08,602 Minister, if you block honours pending economies, 560 00:39:08,767 --> 00:39:12,237 you might create a dangerous precedent. 561 00:39:12,407 --> 00:39:17,561 If we do the right thing now, we'll have to do the right thing next time? 562 00:39:17,727 --> 00:39:20,958 - Nothing would get done at all! - On the contrary. 563 00:39:21,127 --> 00:39:25,325 - Many things must be done, but... ...nothing done for the first time! 564 00:39:25,487 --> 00:39:26,806 No, Minister! 565 00:39:26,967 --> 00:39:32,758 I'm fully seized of your aims, and I'll try to put them into practice. 566 00:39:32,927 --> 00:39:34,246 To that end, 567 00:39:34,407 --> 00:39:38,559 I recommend we set up a committee with broad terms of reference, 568 00:39:38,727 --> 00:39:42,561 so we're in a position to think through the various implications 569 00:39:42,727 --> 00:39:45,878 and decide based on long-term considerations 570 00:39:46,047 --> 00:39:50,120 rather than rush prematurely into precipitate and ill-conceived actions 571 00:39:50,287 --> 00:39:54,075 which might have unforeseen repercussions. 572 00:39:55,007 --> 00:39:57,646 You mean "no"? 573 00:39:57,807 --> 00:40:02,642 I mean, as far as one can see, in the fullness of time... 574 00:40:02,807 --> 00:40:05,480 No, no, no, Humphrey. 575 00:40:05,647 --> 00:40:07,797 You know me: Action now! 576 00:40:07,967 --> 00:40:10,561 (MUTTERS) Action now. 577 00:40:10,727 --> 00:40:13,719 Nobody in their right mind can want honours. 578 00:40:13,887 --> 00:40:17,004 They encourage sycophancy, snobbery, jealousy, 579 00:40:17,167 --> 00:40:20,204 and civil servants shouldn't get them all! 580 00:40:20,367 --> 00:40:24,804 - But Minister... - No, no! I'm sorry. I have decided. 581 00:40:24,967 --> 00:40:27,800 - Your other point? - Other point? 582 00:40:27,967 --> 00:40:30,800 - You had two. - Did I? 583 00:40:30,967 --> 00:40:34,562 Yes, I'm sorry. The shock! 584 00:40:35,247 --> 00:40:40,924 Yesterday, I had representations from Baillie College, Oxford. 585 00:40:41,087 --> 00:40:46,559 Grants for overseas students... They'll lose millions a year. 586 00:40:46,727 --> 00:40:49,878 They must just take more British students. 587 00:40:50,047 --> 00:40:53,801 Nothing would please them more, but you see... 588 00:40:53,967 --> 00:40:56,845 ...Baillie has many foreign students, 589 00:40:57,007 --> 00:40:59,077 and there could be repercussions 590 00:40:59,247 --> 00:41:02,717 at the schools of tropical medicine, international law, 591 00:41:02,887 --> 00:41:06,004 and the Arabic department may have to close down. 592 00:41:06,167 --> 00:41:09,762 We can't educate foreigners at the taxpayer's expense. 593 00:41:09,927 --> 00:41:11,679 Not just foreigners. 594 00:41:11,847 --> 00:41:17,285 If the diplomatic service had nowhere to immerse its recruits, 595 00:41:17,447 --> 00:41:22,282 the results could be catastrophic, with a pro-Israeli Foreign Office! 596 00:41:23,047 --> 00:41:25,607 What would happen to our oil policy? 597 00:41:25,767 --> 00:41:28,486 Its recruits must go elsewhere. 598 00:41:28,647 --> 00:41:31,081 Where else would they learn Arabic? 599 00:41:31,247 --> 00:41:33,283 Arabia? 600 00:41:33,447 --> 00:41:36,120 Baillie College has an outstanding record. 601 00:41:36,287 --> 00:41:39,836 - It's filled our jails for years. - Jails? 602 00:41:40,007 --> 00:41:43,841 Yes. The letters "JB" are the finest honour in the Commonwealth. 603 00:41:44,007 --> 00:41:47,602 - "JB"? - "Jailed by the British". 604 00:41:47,767 --> 00:41:50,679 Gandhi, Nkrumah, Makarios, 605 00:41:50,847 --> 00:41:54,840 Ben-Gurion, Kenyatta, Nehru, Mugabe. 606 00:41:55,007 --> 00:42:00,081 The list of leaders is endless and contains several of our students. 607 00:42:00,247 --> 00:42:02,203 "Our students"? 608 00:42:02,367 --> 00:42:06,406 Humphrey... which college did you go to? 609 00:42:06,567 --> 00:42:08,956 That is quite beside the point. 610 00:42:09,127 --> 00:42:12,119 I like being beside the point. 611 00:42:12,287 --> 00:42:15,802 Humour me, Humphrey. Which college did you go to? 612 00:42:15,967 --> 00:42:19,676 Was it Baillie, by any strange coincidence? 613 00:42:19,847 --> 00:42:25,399 It so happens... I am a Baillie man, but that has nothing to do with it! 614 00:42:25,567 --> 00:42:27,398 No, of course not. 615 00:42:27,567 --> 00:42:29,797 Perish the thought. Naughty. 616 00:42:30,767 --> 00:42:32,962 Yes? The division, Minister. 617 00:42:33,127 --> 00:42:36,437 That rather settles it. No more time. 618 00:42:36,607 --> 00:42:39,075 Am I voting "aye" or "no"? 619 00:42:39,247 --> 00:42:42,523 - "No". It's a... - I don't want to know what it is. 620 00:42:42,687 --> 00:42:46,680 I don't want to go through the wrong door. 621 00:42:49,047 --> 00:42:50,958 (KNOCK AT DOOR) 622 00:42:54,927 --> 00:42:56,246 Arnold? 623 00:42:56,407 --> 00:42:59,001 Humphrey! Do sit down. 624 00:43:00,247 --> 00:43:03,205 Hope you don't mind my dragging you here. 625 00:43:03,367 --> 00:43:07,997 - No, please. - I was worried about your Minister. 626 00:43:08,647 --> 00:43:11,480 Linking honours to economies. 627 00:43:11,647 --> 00:43:14,161 That? A lot of nonsense. 628 00:43:14,327 --> 00:43:17,717 Good. You mean it's not true? 629 00:43:18,887 --> 00:43:24,166 Not exactly. That is, he did just mention it. 630 00:43:24,847 --> 00:43:28,442 - But... - But what? 631 00:43:28,607 --> 00:43:32,839 I can't find any effective arguments against it. 632 00:43:33,047 --> 00:43:35,800 - It's the thin end of the wedge. - That's what I said. 633 00:43:35,967 --> 00:43:38,800 - A Bennite solution. - I said that. 634 00:43:38,967 --> 00:43:41,527 - Where will it end? - That's what I said. 635 00:43:42,167 --> 00:43:45,716 No, it's intolerable, but... 636 00:43:47,287 --> 00:43:48,959 ...irresistible. 637 00:43:49,127 --> 00:43:53,405 I'm not reprimanding you, I don't know the facts well enough. 638 00:43:53,567 --> 00:43:57,958 I'd like your assurance that he won't be putting it into practice. 639 00:43:58,127 --> 00:44:00,197 I certainly hope he won't. 640 00:44:00,367 --> 00:44:03,484 I'm not sure that hopes are good enough. 641 00:44:03,647 --> 00:44:08,402 If he applied it to your department, the contagion would spread! 642 00:44:08,567 --> 00:44:10,285 Every department! 643 00:44:11,087 --> 00:44:16,480 - Presumably, we can count on you? - I shall certainly try. 644 00:44:18,807 --> 00:44:23,517 - But... it's rather tricky. - You know what you're doing. 645 00:44:23,687 --> 00:44:28,477 This could cause people to reflect on your soundness. 646 00:44:28,647 --> 00:44:31,605 I've no doubts about you myself, but... 647 00:44:31,767 --> 00:44:36,283 - I thought a chat would be useful. - Absolutely. Thank you. 648 00:44:36,447 --> 00:44:40,645 By the way, I had our college master on the phone. 649 00:44:40,807 --> 00:44:43,799 - He said you dined at Baillie. - Right! 650 00:44:44,367 --> 00:44:49,077 I assured them your Minister would treat them as a special case. 651 00:44:50,967 --> 00:44:53,561 Yes... Yes... 652 00:44:53,727 --> 00:44:57,686 I've got the Minister coming to a benefactors' dinner. 653 00:44:57,847 --> 00:45:00,202 Good. Sound man. 654 00:45:00,367 --> 00:45:05,122 I must be getting over to Number 10. Thanks for dropping in. 655 00:45:05,287 --> 00:45:06,606 Pleasure... 656 00:45:07,447 --> 00:45:09,358 ...Arnold. 657 00:45:15,527 --> 00:45:20,282 Sir Humphrey saw the Cabinet Secretary and got the most frightful wigging. 658 00:45:20,447 --> 00:45:25,362 Really tore him off a strip because of your economies-honours scheme. 659 00:45:25,527 --> 00:45:29,805 - Your scheme. - We've been through all that. 660 00:45:29,967 --> 00:45:32,356 Sorry. My scheme. 661 00:45:33,327 --> 00:45:36,000 Why wig someone as high up as Humphrey? 662 00:45:36,167 --> 00:45:39,842 Normally, it's civilised, but this time it was no-holds-barred. 663 00:45:40,007 --> 00:45:43,556 Sir Arnold said he wasn't actually reprimanding him. 664 00:45:43,727 --> 00:45:46,525 - Bad as that, was it? - Yes. 665 00:45:46,687 --> 00:45:51,556 He suggested some people might not think he was sound. 666 00:45:51,727 --> 00:45:54,082 - A real punch-up! - Indeed. 667 00:45:54,247 --> 00:45:58,684 What has Sir Arnold to fear? He has all the honours he could want. 668 00:45:58,847 --> 00:46:01,281 - He has his "G". - "G"? 669 00:46:01,447 --> 00:46:05,281 - You get your "G" after your "K". - You speak in riddles. 670 00:46:05,447 --> 00:46:09,679 First you get the CMG, then the KCMG and the GCMG, 671 00:46:09,847 --> 00:46:13,362 the Command of the Order of St Michael and St George, 672 00:46:13,527 --> 00:46:15,802 Knight Grand Cross of St George. 673 00:46:15,967 --> 00:46:20,404 In the service, CMG stands for "Call Me God". 674 00:46:20,567 --> 00:46:24,355 And KCMG for "Kindly Call Me God". 675 00:46:25,807 --> 00:46:27,445 And GCMG? 676 00:46:27,607 --> 00:46:30,599 "God Calls Me God". 677 00:46:31,607 --> 00:46:35,680 Why should Sir Arnold worry? He has his full quota of honours. 678 00:46:35,847 --> 00:46:37,166 Nowhere near! 679 00:46:37,327 --> 00:46:40,717 There's a peerage, the CH, the OM, the Knight of the Thistle... 680 00:46:40,887 --> 00:46:43,162 Knight of the Thistle? Who for? 681 00:46:43,327 --> 00:46:47,764 - Scotsmen and donkeys?! - There's a distinction. 682 00:46:47,927 --> 00:46:51,363 You haven't met the Scottish Nationalists! 683 00:46:51,527 --> 00:46:56,521 - How do they award the Thistle? - A committee sits on it. 684 00:46:59,847 --> 00:47:04,363 Does Humphrey think I'll change university policy 685 00:47:04,527 --> 00:47:06,438 over High Table dinner? 686 00:47:06,607 --> 00:47:10,600 I believe Baillie College give a very good dinner, Minister. 687 00:47:11,287 --> 00:47:16,042 - How much further? - A few minutes. The M40's good. 688 00:47:17,927 --> 00:47:20,521 So's the M4... 689 00:47:20,687 --> 00:47:24,236 Why did we get two really good roads to Oxford 690 00:47:24,407 --> 00:47:30,243 before any to Southampton or Dover or any of the ports? 691 00:47:30,407 --> 00:47:34,446 Nearly all our Permanent Secretaries went to Oxford, Minister, 692 00:47:34,607 --> 00:47:39,283 and most Oxford colleges give very good dinners. 693 00:47:39,447 --> 00:47:42,405 - The Cabinet allow that? - Certainly not. 694 00:47:42,567 --> 00:47:45,957 They said no motorway to take civil servants to Oxford, 695 00:47:46,127 --> 00:47:49,676 unless there was one to take Ministers hunting in the shires. 696 00:47:49,847 --> 00:47:53,965 That's why the M1 stopped in Leicestershire! 697 00:47:54,127 --> 00:47:56,687 Oh, come! 698 00:47:59,127 --> 00:48:02,403 What about the M11 just completed? 699 00:48:02,567 --> 00:48:05,081 Doesn't Cambridge give as good dinners? 700 00:48:05,247 --> 00:48:07,807 Yes, of course, but it's been years 701 00:48:07,967 --> 00:48:12,722 since Transport had a Permanent Secretary from Cambridge. 702 00:48:14,647 --> 00:48:16,365 (CHATTER) 703 00:48:26,087 --> 00:48:30,160 For a college on the edge of bankruptcy, not a bad dinner! 704 00:48:30,327 --> 00:48:33,683 The Fitzwalter Dinner is paid for by endowment, 705 00:48:33,847 --> 00:48:36,645 a great 16th-century benefactor. 706 00:48:36,807 --> 00:48:41,835 Most nights we eat Mother's Pride and processed cheese. 707 00:48:42,007 --> 00:48:45,363 You need a 20th-century benefactor. 708 00:48:45,527 --> 00:48:49,964 - Interesting you should say that. - Why? 709 00:48:50,127 --> 00:48:52,482 Benefactors are few and far between. 710 00:48:52,647 --> 00:48:57,323 Isaac Wolfson is only the second man to have a college named after him 711 00:48:57,487 --> 00:49:00,047 - at Oxford and Cambridge. - Who's the first? 712 00:49:00,207 --> 00:49:02,084 Jesus. 713 00:49:02,247 --> 00:49:05,159 - Jesus? - Jesus... Christ. 714 00:49:07,847 --> 00:49:10,486 Some of our most revered benefactors are men 715 00:49:10,647 --> 00:49:14,162 who saved the college from the depredations of Government. 716 00:49:14,327 --> 00:49:17,842 Their names are remembered and hallowed for centuries. 717 00:49:18,007 --> 00:49:21,602 - It's a sort of immortality. - Really? 718 00:49:21,767 --> 00:49:24,520 What did these benefactors do? 719 00:49:24,687 --> 00:49:29,317 Take Sir William de Vere, his coat of arms are there and in chapel. 720 00:49:29,487 --> 00:49:33,958 He diverted the baronial army away from Baillie in the 15th century. 721 00:49:34,127 --> 00:49:38,086 He had the soldiers billetted at St George's College. 722 00:49:38,247 --> 00:49:43,719 - I didn't know there was a St George's. - There isn't. Not since that. 723 00:49:43,887 --> 00:49:49,120 Then, there's George Monkton, whom Monkton Quad's named after. 724 00:49:49,287 --> 00:49:53,485 He stopped Cromwell melting all the college silver down 725 00:49:53,647 --> 00:49:55,399 to pay for his army. 726 00:49:55,607 --> 00:50:00,476 He told them the silver was better quality at Trinity, Cambridge! 727 00:50:01,447 --> 00:50:05,838 Now, it looks like there'll be no college left to remember. 728 00:50:06,007 --> 00:50:11,718 Unless we can solve the problem of overseas students. 729 00:50:11,887 --> 00:50:13,479 (MURMURS OF AGREEMENT) 730 00:50:13,647 --> 00:50:17,242 Well, of course, one would like to... 731 00:50:17,407 --> 00:50:18,965 ...help oneself. 732 00:50:19,127 --> 00:50:22,085 Er... help one's friends. 733 00:50:22,247 --> 00:50:24,715 Help the college. 734 00:50:24,887 --> 00:50:28,721 - Nothing to do with the honour. - Of course not! Ignoble thought. 735 00:50:28,887 --> 00:50:32,880 The Minister believes it's a politician's duty to help others. 736 00:50:33,047 --> 00:50:35,686 (SLURRING) Absolutely. Name of the game. 737 00:50:35,847 --> 00:50:39,760 That's why we go into politics, to help others. 738 00:50:40,847 --> 00:50:43,998 I'm an idealist, nothing to do with the honour. 739 00:50:44,167 --> 00:50:47,557 Most of the honour comes after you're dead. 740 00:50:47,727 --> 00:50:51,640 Not much satisfaction from having your name on the silver sconce 741 00:50:51,807 --> 00:50:54,879 when you're six feet under! 742 00:50:57,207 --> 00:51:01,678 Incidentally, Master, to change the subject completely... 743 00:51:03,967 --> 00:51:07,039 ...when do you award your honorary doctorates? 744 00:51:07,207 --> 00:51:11,439 The ceremony's not for a few months, but we have to decide in two weeks. 745 00:51:11,607 --> 00:51:14,326 - Doctorate? - Aren't they decided? 746 00:51:14,487 --> 00:51:17,638 There is one Doctorate of Law still to be decided. 747 00:51:17,807 --> 00:51:22,517 We're wondering whether it should go to a judge or someone in Government. 748 00:51:22,687 --> 00:51:25,155 (SLURS) Judge?! 749 00:51:26,887 --> 00:51:31,005 You don't want to make a judge a Doctor of Law! 750 00:51:31,167 --> 00:51:34,955 The politicians make the laws and pass the laws. 751 00:51:35,127 --> 00:51:39,359 If it wasn't for politicians, the judges wouldn't be able to judge. 752 00:51:39,527 --> 00:51:42,564 There'd be no laws to judge! 753 00:51:42,727 --> 00:51:44,604 - Yes, indeed. - Quite! 754 00:51:44,767 --> 00:51:48,442 They'd have nothing to do. Queues of unemployed judges... 755 00:51:48,607 --> 00:51:51,326 ...in silly wigs! 756 00:51:53,407 --> 00:51:55,477 It's all right for judges. 757 00:51:55,647 --> 00:52:00,437 They don't have to suck up to TV producers, lie to journalists. 758 00:52:00,607 --> 00:52:04,395 They don't have to pretend to like their Cabinet colleagues. 759 00:52:04,567 --> 00:52:06,683 I'll tell you something else... 760 00:52:07,327 --> 00:52:11,957 ...if judges had to put up with some of my colleagues, 761 00:52:12,127 --> 00:52:15,836 they'd bring capital punishment back tomorrow! 762 00:52:16,727 --> 00:52:18,365 Bloody good job, too! 763 00:52:18,527 --> 00:52:20,961 I'll tell you another thing... 764 00:52:21,127 --> 00:52:25,006 ...I can't send him to prison. 765 00:52:26,087 --> 00:52:28,282 Can't send him to prison. 766 00:52:28,447 --> 00:52:33,760 If I were a judge, I could whiz old Humpy off to the Scrubs. 767 00:52:34,367 --> 00:52:37,643 Feet wouldn't touch. Clang bang! See you in three years. 768 00:52:37,807 --> 00:52:43,120 One third remission for good conduct. I can't do that! 769 00:52:44,407 --> 00:52:46,523 I have to listen to him. 770 00:52:46,687 --> 00:52:49,406 Oh, God! 771 00:52:50,127 --> 00:52:53,005 On and on and on! 772 00:52:53,167 --> 00:52:57,957 Some of his sentences are longer than Judge Jeffreys'! 773 00:52:58,127 --> 00:53:01,802 No, no, no. Politicians are much more deserving. 774 00:53:01,967 --> 00:53:05,277 You don't want to give your doctory honourates to judges. 775 00:53:05,447 --> 00:53:07,677 Definitely not! 776 00:53:07,847 --> 00:53:10,964 Beautifully argued, Minister. 777 00:53:11,127 --> 00:53:15,166 I see now... we shouldn't give it to a judge. 778 00:53:15,607 --> 00:53:19,839 - You put the case most expertly. - Almost like a Doctor of Law. 779 00:53:20,007 --> 00:53:23,556 I can see you there now in the Sheldonian, 780 00:53:23,727 --> 00:53:26,764 standing there in those magnificent crimson robes, 781 00:53:26,927 --> 00:53:31,796 receiving your doctorate in front of an assembly of eminent scholars. 782 00:53:31,967 --> 00:53:34,481 (HUMPHREY) Wonderful. (MASTER) Marvellous. 783 00:53:34,647 --> 00:53:37,719 How funny you should say that. 784 00:53:37,887 --> 00:53:41,402 I was just thinking the same thing. 785 00:53:46,767 --> 00:53:49,327 Morning, Minister. Morning, Bernard. 786 00:53:50,527 --> 00:53:53,678 Most enjoyable dinner last night. 787 00:53:53,847 --> 00:53:59,126 I wonder if we could have a private chat. Forgive us, Bernard. 788 00:53:59,287 --> 00:54:02,165 Minister... 789 00:54:02,327 --> 00:54:05,956 ...the master of Baillie has asked me to enquire 790 00:54:06,127 --> 00:54:10,120 whether you'd accept an honorary doctorate of law. 791 00:54:10,927 --> 00:54:12,645 Me? Good heavens! 792 00:54:12,807 --> 00:54:15,844 - It's... not an offer. - No, of course not. 793 00:54:16,007 --> 00:54:20,159 Of course, in view of your well-known hostility to honours... 794 00:54:20,327 --> 00:54:23,478 Don't be silly. This is quite different. 795 00:54:23,647 --> 00:54:25,558 Not entirely, Minister. 796 00:54:25,727 --> 00:54:30,721 It's a matter of accepting it without doing anything to deserve it, 797 00:54:30,887 --> 00:54:35,278 as you might put it in your refreshingly blunt fashion. 798 00:54:35,447 --> 00:54:38,041 I'm a Cabinet Minister! 799 00:54:38,207 --> 00:54:41,995 - Isn't that what you're paid for? - Yes, but... No! 800 00:54:42,687 --> 00:54:44,200 Yes, but... 801 00:54:44,367 --> 00:54:49,282 I can't refuse a vote of confidence in the Government, not just oneself. 802 00:54:49,447 --> 00:54:53,759 No, quite. As I say, it's not certain, it's... 803 00:54:56,407 --> 00:54:59,319 (HUMPHREY HUMS TO HIMSELF) 804 00:54:59,487 --> 00:55:02,285 Humphrey, to change the subject completely, 805 00:55:02,447 --> 00:55:06,998 I'd like to do what I can for Baillie in this overseas students business. 806 00:55:07,167 --> 00:55:08,759 Oh, good! 807 00:55:08,927 --> 00:55:12,363 But wouldn't I need a pretext... a reason? 808 00:55:12,527 --> 00:55:14,438 No, Minister, no problem. 809 00:55:14,607 --> 00:55:18,566 The Palace has been under pressure from certain African leaders. 810 00:55:18,727 --> 00:55:20,797 We can't embarrass the Palace, 811 00:55:20,967 --> 00:55:25,358 so we'll redesignate Baillie as a Commonwealth Education Centre. 812 00:55:26,367 --> 00:55:33,079 But where am I to find the money? I'm set on 5% cuts across the board. 813 00:55:33,247 --> 00:55:36,398 If that's achieved, anything's possible. 814 00:55:36,567 --> 00:55:40,276 - The committee are waiting. - Very well, show them in. 815 00:55:40,447 --> 00:55:44,998 I suppose we could achieve the cuts in this department, 816 00:55:45,167 --> 00:55:50,321 if the absurd idea of linking honours to cuts were to be shelved. 817 00:55:52,407 --> 00:55:54,921 - I see. - Yes... 818 00:55:57,407 --> 00:56:01,002 (HUMPHREY) Thank you, Bernard. (HACKER) Morning. 819 00:56:01,167 --> 00:56:04,876 Now, minutes of the previous meeting? 820 00:56:05,047 --> 00:56:07,959 Matters arising: Accommodation. 821 00:56:08,127 --> 00:56:09,765 Oh, yes! 822 00:56:09,927 --> 00:56:15,320 I'm happy to be able to tell you that we have found a 5% cut, 823 00:56:15,487 --> 00:56:17,876 by selling an office in High Wycombe. 824 00:56:18,047 --> 00:56:19,878 - Oh, really? - Yes. 825 00:56:20,047 --> 00:56:22,083 - Yes, very good. - Yes. 826 00:56:22,247 --> 00:56:23,646 Stationery acquisition? 827 00:56:23,807 --> 00:56:28,562 We've discovered a new stock control system to reduce expenditure. 828 00:56:28,727 --> 00:56:33,118 - By how much? - About 5%, wasn't it? 829 00:56:33,767 --> 00:56:36,565 Excellent! Parks and Forestry? 830 00:56:36,727 --> 00:56:40,766 If we delay the new computers, we can make a saving. 831 00:56:40,927 --> 00:56:42,804 - By how much? - Yes...? 832 00:56:42,967 --> 00:56:45,435 - About 5%. - Yes, about 5%. 833 00:56:45,607 --> 00:56:48,997 - Really? - That cuts data processing, too. 834 00:56:49,167 --> 00:56:51,761 - By...? - By... 835 00:56:51,927 --> 00:56:54,316 By about 5%. 836 00:56:54,487 --> 00:56:57,047 - This is most satisfying. - Yes. 837 00:56:57,207 --> 00:56:59,880 Incidentally, while I think of it, 838 00:57:00,047 --> 00:57:05,679 have you finished with the list for the honours secretary? 839 00:57:05,847 --> 00:57:08,680 Yes, Humphrey. No problem there. 840 00:57:08,847 --> 00:57:11,236 Bernard will give it to you. 841 00:57:11,407 --> 00:57:15,116 - Thank you, Bernard. - All right, Humphrey? 842 00:57:15,287 --> 00:57:18,040 Yes, Doctor... er, Minister. 843 00:58:45,486 --> 00:58:49,320 Minister, there's something in the press you should see. 844 00:58:49,486 --> 00:58:52,796 - About me? - I'm afraid it's in Private Eye. 845 00:58:52,966 --> 00:58:58,245 - Private Eye? - Yes... They're exposing something. 846 00:58:59,126 --> 00:59:02,755 Not that character reference I gave for Dr Savundra? 847 00:59:02,926 --> 00:59:05,963 - That party at Poulson's? - I didn't know about those. 848 00:59:06,126 --> 00:59:10,517 No, that's the thing they make up in that squalid little rag! 849 00:59:10,686 --> 00:59:14,474 - What is it? - Perhaps you'd better read it. 850 00:59:18,406 --> 00:59:20,920 - Good God! - Frightful, isn't it? 851 00:59:21,926 --> 00:59:25,157 - May I come in, Minister? - Listen to this. 852 00:59:25,326 --> 00:59:29,239 What's that? Oh, Private Eye? Splendid! 853 00:59:29,406 --> 00:59:32,637 "The saga of the top secret Guthrie Report, 854 00:59:32,806 --> 00:59:37,118 "revealed to the Eye last week, continues to embarrass Ministers. 855 00:59:37,286 --> 00:59:41,279 "It seems one of the present Cabinet subjected to phone-tapping, 856 00:59:41,446 --> 00:59:44,722 "bugging and 24-hour surveillance while in opposition 857 00:59:44,886 --> 00:59:48,196 "was none other than the egregious Jim Hacker." 858 00:59:48,366 --> 00:59:50,834 What's "egregious" mean? 859 00:59:51,006 --> 00:59:53,964 I think it means "outstanding". 860 00:59:54,126 --> 00:59:55,844 Oh...? 861 00:59:56,846 --> 00:59:59,599 In one way or another. 862 00:59:59,766 --> 01:00:05,318 "...Jim Hacker, whose department administers 23,000 other administrators. 863 01:00:05,486 --> 01:00:09,195 "Ironically, it is egregious Jim's department that is now responsible 864 01:00:09,366 --> 01:00:13,678 "for supplying all the government's computerised bugging equipment. 865 01:00:13,846 --> 01:00:19,239 "Presumably, this makes him the government's chief bugger." 866 01:00:19,406 --> 01:00:20,725 Wonderful! 867 01:00:20,886 --> 01:00:23,161 - Is this true? - Which, Minister? 868 01:00:23,326 --> 01:00:27,160 That I was under surveillance and am now responsible for bugging. 869 01:00:27,326 --> 01:00:31,285 Surely, you don't believe what you read in that squalid little rag. 870 01:00:31,446 --> 01:00:35,359 - Never mind. Is it true? - Don't take it too seriously. 871 01:00:35,526 --> 01:00:38,882 Well, I do! This says I was under total surveillance. 872 01:00:39,046 --> 01:00:43,562 An MP and free citizen! It cuts at the very heart of democracy! 873 01:00:43,726 --> 01:00:46,365 It contravenes human rights. 874 01:00:46,526 --> 01:00:47,879 Oh, yes... 875 01:00:48,046 --> 01:00:52,358 Surveillance is indispensable in the battle against organised crime. 876 01:00:52,526 --> 01:00:55,916 You're not describing politicians as organised crime? 877 01:00:56,086 --> 01:00:58,805 Disorganised crime, too, of course! 878 01:00:58,966 --> 01:01:03,562 Humphrey! I once wrote a leader on this as editor of "Reform" 879 01:01:03,726 --> 01:01:08,083 and started a nationwide petition against bureaucratic busybodies, 880 01:01:08,246 --> 01:01:10,043 bugging and phone-tapping. 881 01:01:10,206 --> 01:01:14,438 Now I learn from Private Eye, Humphrey, not from you, 882 01:01:14,606 --> 01:01:17,837 that I'm responsible for it, and you never told me. 883 01:01:18,006 --> 01:01:20,440 You didn't ask. 884 01:01:20,606 --> 01:01:25,555 Thank God for a free press and for one open, fearless journal! 885 01:01:25,726 --> 01:01:31,596 - You said it was a squalid rag. - Sharpen up your antennae. 886 01:01:31,766 --> 01:01:35,554 Learn to adapt more flexibly to a developing situation. 887 01:01:35,726 --> 01:01:37,682 I see. I'm sorry. 888 01:01:37,846 --> 01:01:41,998 Where are the transcripts of these bugged conversations? 889 01:01:42,166 --> 01:01:44,760 They were put into a report. 890 01:01:44,926 --> 01:01:47,963 - Who got these reports? - The Home Secretary gets them. 891 01:01:48,126 --> 01:01:50,686 Gets them? Gets them? 892 01:01:50,846 --> 01:01:54,202 Not about you, Minister. Not now. 893 01:01:54,366 --> 01:01:58,405 Now he'll be getting reports about Her Majesty's opposition. 894 01:01:59,286 --> 01:02:03,359 - Who gives them to him? - Ml5, presumably. 895 01:02:03,526 --> 01:02:07,041 - You seem very calm about all this. - Yes, Minister. 896 01:02:07,206 --> 01:02:11,722 I think it's horrifying, a distinguished citizen - 897 01:02:11,886 --> 01:02:16,004 if I may say so, an extremely distinguished British citizen - 898 01:02:16,166 --> 01:02:19,158 who's given his life's service to his country, 899 01:02:19,326 --> 01:02:23,160 finds these faceless bureaucrats have listened to his every word. 900 01:02:23,326 --> 01:02:28,195 All his phone calls. His rows with his wife and daughter. 901 01:02:28,366 --> 01:02:31,802 His private arrangements with his accountant! Not that I...! 902 01:02:31,966 --> 01:02:34,639 - No, quite so. - Well, why, Humphrey? 903 01:02:34,806 --> 01:02:37,684 - Why surveillance or why you? - Both! 904 01:02:37,846 --> 01:02:41,759 - It's the same answer. - Why split it into two questions? 905 01:02:41,926 --> 01:02:45,680 I didn't want to risk answering a question you weren't asking. 906 01:02:45,846 --> 01:02:48,918 I'm asking you now. Why was I under surveillance? 907 01:02:49,086 --> 01:02:51,646 It's perfectly obvious. Do you mind? 908 01:02:51,806 --> 01:02:57,164 Before the election, it was rumoured you'd be appointed Defence Secretary. 909 01:02:57,326 --> 01:02:58,645 So? 910 01:02:58,806 --> 01:03:03,277 If the PM was giving you defence, in the national interest, 911 01:03:03,446 --> 01:03:08,201 that Ml5 must be satisfied you weren't a security risk. 912 01:03:08,366 --> 01:03:12,644 - My privacy was invaded! - Better than your country, Minister. 913 01:03:14,086 --> 01:03:16,759 Have you ever been under surveillance? 914 01:03:16,926 --> 01:03:19,759 - Me, Minister?! - You. 915 01:03:19,926 --> 01:03:22,724 I'm a civil servant! 916 01:03:23,446 --> 01:03:25,880 So were Burgess and MacLean. 917 01:03:26,046 --> 01:03:28,765 - Oh, well... - And Philby! 918 01:03:28,926 --> 01:03:31,156 They weren't Permanent Secretaries. 919 01:03:31,646 --> 01:03:37,243 One becomes a Permanent Secretary after a life of reliability and integrity. 920 01:03:37,406 --> 01:03:41,115 The rigorous selection procedures winnow out all 921 01:03:41,286 --> 01:03:44,756 but the most upright and honourable public servants. 922 01:03:44,926 --> 01:03:50,000 - And what about Ministers? - They have many dazzling qualities! 923 01:03:50,166 --> 01:03:52,919 Including...? 924 01:03:55,366 --> 01:04:01,077 Enviable intellectual suppleness and moral manoeuvrability. 925 01:04:01,246 --> 01:04:03,476 What are you trying to say? 926 01:04:03,646 --> 01:04:07,719 You can't trust them! Not you, of course, Minister. 927 01:04:07,886 --> 01:04:11,640 Ministers, unlike civil servants, are selected at random 928 01:04:11,806 --> 01:04:14,604 by prime ministerial whim, 929 01:04:14,766 --> 01:04:18,441 in recognition of dubious services rendered, 930 01:04:18,606 --> 01:04:22,440 or to avoid appointing someone of real ability. 931 01:04:23,766 --> 01:04:27,315 Not you, Minister! You certainly are to be trusted. 932 01:04:27,486 --> 01:04:32,241 You might almost be a civil servant yourself! 933 01:04:32,406 --> 01:04:35,398 - Is that a compliment? - Indeed. The ultimate compliment. 934 01:04:37,406 --> 01:04:40,079 Would you trust every Cabinet colleague 935 01:04:40,246 --> 01:04:42,840 never to betray a confidence? 936 01:04:44,006 --> 01:04:48,318 - And all the opposition front bench? - You must be joking! 937 01:04:48,486 --> 01:04:51,159 You were in the opposition at the time. 938 01:04:51,326 --> 01:04:55,319 Be that as it may, I have decided I'm going to stop it. 939 01:04:55,486 --> 01:05:01,197 - But this is a Home Office matter. - Nevertheless, I'll make it harder. 940 01:05:01,366 --> 01:05:05,996 If I'm responsible for bugging, I want some democratic safeguards. 941 01:05:06,166 --> 01:05:11,194 Are you about to suggest that people won't be put under surveillance 942 01:05:11,366 --> 01:05:15,279 until they've signed a form agreeing to it? 943 01:05:15,446 --> 01:05:21,078 No, we'll have a select committee to vet every application, 944 01:05:21,566 --> 01:05:26,401 and no surveillance to last over two weeks without a further application. 945 01:05:26,566 --> 01:05:30,798 Will you set the wheels in motion, please, Humphrey? 946 01:05:30,966 --> 01:05:32,957 Very well, Minister. 947 01:05:35,086 --> 01:05:38,396 Bernard, send a minute to each Cabinet member. 948 01:05:38,566 --> 01:05:42,275 I'll plant a question for a backbencher to ask. 949 01:05:42,446 --> 01:05:47,520 "Can you assure us no colleagues have ever been under surveillance?" 950 01:05:47,686 --> 01:05:51,315 - That should shake him. - It certainly will. 951 01:05:51,486 --> 01:05:55,559 Ask Walter Fowler of the Express to meet me for a drink. 952 01:05:55,726 --> 01:05:59,355 - What for, Minister? - First law of political indiscretion: 953 01:05:59,526 --> 01:06:02,757 Always have a drink before you leak. 954 01:06:11,766 --> 01:06:14,644 - Will it make a story? - Yes. 955 01:06:14,806 --> 01:06:18,765 "Minister fights for phone-tap safeguard." Yes! 956 01:06:18,926 --> 01:06:24,284 - Where will they run it? - High up on the home news page. 957 01:06:24,446 --> 01:06:28,359 - Not on page one? - Can I attribute it? 958 01:06:28,526 --> 01:06:31,563 - "Minister speaks out"? - No, no, no. 959 01:06:31,726 --> 01:06:37,119 Then, where did I get the story? I can't say, "Officially announced." 960 01:06:37,286 --> 01:06:39,925 "Government spokesman"? 961 01:06:41,806 --> 01:06:44,525 How about, "Sources close to Minister"? 962 01:06:44,686 --> 01:06:49,043 Hold on, I don't want everybody to know I told you! 963 01:06:49,206 --> 01:06:52,596 Couldn't you do, "Speculation is growing in Westminster"? 964 01:06:52,766 --> 01:06:54,757 A bit weak. 965 01:06:55,846 --> 01:06:57,484 "Unofficial spokesman"? 966 01:06:57,646 --> 01:07:00,683 Used that twice this week already! 967 01:07:00,846 --> 01:07:04,395 The Cabinet's leaking like a sieve, isn't it? 968 01:07:05,766 --> 01:07:10,635 Couldn't we attribute it to a leading member of the sieve... Cabinet? 969 01:07:10,806 --> 01:07:12,444 No... 970 01:07:14,246 --> 01:07:18,478 How would you like to be "an informed source"? 971 01:07:18,646 --> 01:07:21,285 OK. "Informed source." 972 01:07:21,446 --> 01:07:25,485 Quite a joke, isn't it, describing someone as "informed" 973 01:07:25,646 --> 01:07:29,639 when his Permanent Secretary is Sir Humphrey Appleby?! 974 01:07:35,326 --> 01:07:40,275 Everything we said on the phone, recorded and transcribed. 975 01:07:40,446 --> 01:07:43,961 - It's humiliating! - It is a little humiliating. 976 01:07:44,126 --> 01:07:48,916 That Ml5 know you talk at home the same as you talk in public. 977 01:07:49,086 --> 01:07:54,524 The gross national product, borrowing requirements, draft agendas... 978 01:07:54,686 --> 01:07:58,235 I didn't mean that! I meant our private talk. 979 01:07:58,406 --> 01:08:01,443 I hadn't thought of that..."Got the car keys?" 980 01:08:01,606 --> 01:08:06,521 "I thought you had them!" That'll bring the government down! 981 01:08:06,686 --> 01:08:10,474 - You're not taking it seriously. - What gives you that idea? 982 01:08:10,646 --> 01:08:14,798 They might've heard what we said... in bed! 983 01:08:15,646 --> 01:08:18,922 Why? Do you snore in code? 984 01:08:20,046 --> 01:08:23,959 - You trying to tell me something? - Since you ask, 985 01:08:24,126 --> 01:08:28,438 why don't we go away for the weekend like we used to? 986 01:08:28,606 --> 01:08:31,040 Yes. Why not? What the hell! 987 01:08:31,206 --> 01:08:33,959 - Let's go to Kingsbury Down. - Where? 988 01:08:34,126 --> 01:08:37,914 Only where we spent our honeymoon, darling! 989 01:08:38,086 --> 01:08:39,405 Yes... 990 01:08:39,566 --> 01:08:41,682 Where you first explained to me 991 01:08:41,846 --> 01:08:47,876 the effect of velocity of circulation on the net growth of money supply. 992 01:08:48,046 --> 01:08:50,435 Yeah... I remember. 993 01:08:50,606 --> 01:08:53,404 Did you get that, boys? 994 01:08:56,446 --> 01:08:59,916 The Minister... on a death list? 995 01:09:00,086 --> 01:09:03,840 Well, who are the International Freedom Army? 996 01:09:04,006 --> 01:09:08,045 - We do not, as yet, know. - Why assassinate the Minister? 997 01:09:08,206 --> 01:09:10,197 He's so harmless! 998 01:09:11,406 --> 01:09:14,716 Nevertheless, we cannot risk the Minister's life. 999 01:09:14,886 --> 01:09:17,798 - No. That means the full...? - Quite! 1000 01:09:19,206 --> 01:09:22,881 - Morning, Minister! - Morning, Minister, how are you? 1001 01:09:23,046 --> 01:09:27,756 - Sorry I'm late. Didn't sleep well. - Sorry to hear that. 1002 01:09:27,926 --> 01:09:30,281 Actually, I feel like death. 1003 01:09:31,926 --> 01:09:34,724 Perhaps that's just as well. 1004 01:09:38,046 --> 01:09:40,879 - See this morning's Express? - Indeed. 1005 01:09:41,046 --> 01:09:45,244 - "Minister acts to curb phone taps." - Wonder where they got that. 1006 01:09:45,726 --> 01:09:48,604 A leak, I suppose. Terrible, isn't it? 1007 01:09:48,766 --> 01:09:50,085 Terrible. 1008 01:09:50,246 --> 01:09:51,395 It only reaffirms my determination to act. 1009 01:09:54,046 --> 01:09:57,561 Are you sure you've considered all the implications? 1010 01:09:58,086 --> 01:10:00,475 Yes. Free citizens have a right to privacy. 1011 01:10:00,646 --> 01:10:05,674 But suppose Ml5 had reason to believe these free citizens were, 1012 01:10:05,846 --> 01:10:08,963 to take a purely hypothetical example, 1013 01:10:09,126 --> 01:10:11,435 planning to assassinate a Minister? 1014 01:10:12,166 --> 01:10:16,603 The freedom of the British people is worth more than a Minister's life. 1015 01:10:16,766 --> 01:10:18,722 Freedom is indivisible. 1016 01:10:18,886 --> 01:10:21,525 Ministers are expendable. 1017 01:10:22,326 --> 01:10:28,242 A man in public life must expect to be the target of cranks and fanatics. 1018 01:10:28,406 --> 01:10:33,082 It is a Minister's duty to set his life at naught. 1019 01:10:33,246 --> 01:10:38,479 He must be able to stand up and say, "Here I am! Do your worst!" 1020 01:10:39,406 --> 01:10:42,364 And not cower in craven terror 1021 01:10:42,526 --> 01:10:45,165 behind electronic equipment, 1022 01:10:45,326 --> 01:10:47,203 secret microphones 1023 01:10:47,366 --> 01:10:53,475 and all the hideous apparatus... of the police state. 1024 01:10:53,846 --> 01:10:56,918 - Ahem... - I don't want to hear about it. 1025 01:10:57,086 --> 01:11:00,396 I must say one more thing on this matter. 1026 01:11:00,566 --> 01:11:02,363 Very well. Be brief. 1027 01:11:02,526 --> 01:11:05,677 Special Branch have found your name on a death list. 1028 01:11:05,846 --> 01:11:08,406 That has no bearing on the situation. 1029 01:11:08,566 --> 01:11:10,204 What?! 1030 01:11:11,486 --> 01:11:16,401 Special Branch have found your name on a death list. 1031 01:11:16,566 --> 01:11:19,797 - A death list...? - An assassination. 1032 01:11:19,966 --> 01:11:24,323 I know what you mean by death list, but what do you mean? 1033 01:11:25,446 --> 01:11:29,803 I don't think I can put it any more clearly, Minister. 1034 01:11:29,966 --> 01:11:32,196 To put it absolutely bluntly, 1035 01:11:32,366 --> 01:11:35,836 investigations have proved the existence of documents 1036 01:11:36,006 --> 01:11:38,281 whose provenance is unestablished 1037 01:11:38,446 --> 01:11:41,961 but whose effect would be to precipitate a bye-election. 1038 01:11:42,126 --> 01:11:44,356 What do you mean? 1039 01:11:44,526 --> 01:11:47,199 You're on a death list, Minister. 1040 01:11:47,366 --> 01:11:48,958 Who and why? 1041 01:11:49,126 --> 01:11:53,005 The International Freedom Army, a new urban guerrilla group. 1042 01:11:53,166 --> 01:11:57,045 - What've they got against me? - As you may recall, 1043 01:11:57,206 --> 01:11:59,959 there have been rumours of a Cabinet reshuffle, 1044 01:12:00,126 --> 01:12:04,756 and your name was linked with the Ministry of Defence. 1045 01:12:04,926 --> 01:12:09,317 - Who can they be? - An Irish splinter group? 1046 01:12:09,486 --> 01:12:15,322 Baader-Meinhof, PLO or Black September or home-grown loonies! 1047 01:12:15,486 --> 01:12:17,920 Anarchists, Maoists, Libyans, 1048 01:12:18,086 --> 01:12:21,601 Iranians or the Italian Red Brigade, for all we know. 1049 01:12:21,766 --> 01:12:27,443 But they're all connected, so it could be a new group of freelance killers. 1050 01:12:28,646 --> 01:12:31,240 Special Branch don't know where to start. 1051 01:12:31,406 --> 01:12:35,240 - The list isn't just me? - Not just you, Minister. 1052 01:12:35,406 --> 01:12:38,443 - There must be hundreds on... - Just three. 1053 01:12:39,806 --> 01:12:41,797 Just three. 1054 01:12:41,966 --> 01:12:43,524 (BUZZER) 1055 01:12:43,686 --> 01:12:47,156 Yes? Commander Forest of Special Branch. 1056 01:12:47,326 --> 01:12:48,839 - Shall I...? - Please do. 1057 01:12:49,006 --> 01:12:53,363 The Home Secretary wants detectives to protect you. 1058 01:12:53,526 --> 01:12:56,165 - This man will inform you. - Detectives?! 1059 01:12:56,326 --> 01:12:58,999 They can't protect you against the assassin's bullet! 1060 01:12:59,166 --> 01:13:04,923 Certainly not, but they can determine the assassin is brought to trial. 1061 01:13:05,086 --> 01:13:10,001 After the victim has been gunned down, of course. 1062 01:13:10,566 --> 01:13:13,399 Commander Forest of Special Branch. 1063 01:13:13,566 --> 01:13:15,796 - Morning, Commander. - Morning, sir. 1064 01:13:15,966 --> 01:13:17,638 - Sit down. - Thank you. 1065 01:13:17,806 --> 01:13:21,355 You've been told about this list, sir? 1066 01:13:21,526 --> 01:13:24,836 List? What list? Oh, list, yes. 1067 01:13:25,006 --> 01:13:28,078 I'll brief you on the standard hazards and precautions. 1068 01:13:28,246 --> 01:13:32,034 - Thank you, Bernard. - Do I have to take it seriously? 1069 01:13:32,206 --> 01:13:35,243 In a sense, that's up to you. We advise... 1070 01:13:35,406 --> 01:13:40,719 Most people might be in a frightful funk, but it's all in a day's work! 1071 01:13:40,886 --> 01:13:44,083 - I admire your courage, sir. - Thank you. 1072 01:13:44,246 --> 01:13:45,599 Right, well... 1073 01:13:45,766 --> 01:13:47,563 Shoot. I mean...! 1074 01:13:48,926 --> 01:13:51,998 Assassination hazards fall into four categories: 1075 01:13:52,166 --> 01:13:56,921 Bullets, bombs, poisons and so-called accidents. 1076 01:13:57,086 --> 01:13:59,964 There's also gassing, throttling, stabbing, drowning, 1077 01:14:00,126 --> 01:14:05,325 garrotting and ritual disembowelling, but they are uncommon in the UK. 1078 01:14:05,486 --> 01:14:08,205 - All right, then. - Start with bullets. 1079 01:14:08,366 --> 01:14:11,881 There's your assassin on a tall building or in a car, 1080 01:14:12,046 --> 01:14:14,435 your killer in a crowd and phut! 1081 01:14:15,086 --> 01:14:18,522 There's the unexpected house caller, your marksman in a van, 1082 01:14:18,686 --> 01:14:21,075 and the revolver through your car window. 1083 01:14:21,246 --> 01:14:25,239 So avoid crowds and keep away from windows. 1084 01:14:28,566 --> 01:14:35,039 Commander, could I suggest bullet-proof curtains for the office? 1085 01:14:35,206 --> 01:14:38,562 - Bullet-proof! - By lunchtime, sir. 1086 01:14:38,726 --> 01:14:42,719 We'll fit them in your London flat when we do the place over. 1087 01:14:42,886 --> 01:14:46,276 - Do it over? - The usual locks, security alarms. 1088 01:14:46,446 --> 01:14:49,916 24-hour patrols by local staff, phone taps. 1089 01:14:50,086 --> 01:14:51,838 Just the usual?! 1090 01:14:52,006 --> 01:14:54,725 You'll have bodyguards round the clock. 1091 01:14:54,886 --> 01:14:59,801 Never answer your door in person and keep car windows locked. 1092 01:14:59,966 --> 01:15:02,526 Never draw up by the pavement at lights. 1093 01:15:02,686 --> 01:15:05,519 You don't want a terrorist to jump in! 1094 01:15:05,686 --> 01:15:07,358 - No. - Course not! 1095 01:15:07,526 --> 01:15:13,442 If he draws his car in front of yours, ram the axle and sweep it aside, 1096 01:15:15,126 --> 01:15:19,597 Bombs! Car bombs you know, but never open letters. 1097 01:15:19,766 --> 01:15:22,485 For the time being, we'll re-direct them. 1098 01:15:22,646 --> 01:15:27,845 Now, poisons... Be suspicious of gifts of food, chocolates. 1099 01:15:28,006 --> 01:15:31,794 Check the milk bottle caps every morning for hypodermic holes. 1100 01:15:31,966 --> 01:15:35,925 Don't forget the poisoned umbrella jabbed into the calf. 1101 01:15:39,206 --> 01:15:40,958 Now... accidents. 1102 01:15:41,126 --> 01:15:45,438 Never walk along the edge of pavements, rivers, railway platforms. 1103 01:15:45,606 --> 01:15:48,757 We don't want to make it too easy for them. 1104 01:15:48,926 --> 01:15:52,362 Especially the electric railway - so avoid the Tube. 1105 01:15:52,526 --> 01:15:55,199 Electrocution... another favourite. 1106 01:15:55,366 --> 01:16:01,521 A little tinkering with the telly, toaster, electric blanket and Bob's your uncle! 1107 01:16:01,686 --> 01:16:04,359 Your late uncle. 1108 01:16:07,166 --> 01:16:09,919 They have to be checked. Any questions? 1109 01:16:13,446 --> 01:16:18,998 Good! Here's your list of standard safety precautions. 1110 01:16:19,166 --> 01:16:22,681 - I'll be in touch. - Thank you, Commander. 1111 01:16:25,166 --> 01:16:28,602 If you're pushed out of a window with railings underneath, 1112 01:16:28,766 --> 01:16:31,326 try and land on your head. 1113 01:16:31,486 --> 01:16:33,363 Quicker! 1114 01:16:38,046 --> 01:16:43,245 Humphrey... how do we find these terrorists before they find me? 1115 01:16:43,406 --> 01:16:49,117 Phone tapping and surveillance of suspects is the best way, 1116 01:16:49,286 --> 01:16:54,041 but it does incur intolerable intrusion on individual privacy. 1117 01:17:00,566 --> 01:17:02,522 On the other hand... 1118 01:17:02,686 --> 01:17:07,282 the people's representatives must represent the people. 1119 01:17:07,446 --> 01:17:11,405 Any threat to them is a threat against democracy, isn't it? 1120 01:17:13,166 --> 01:17:15,157 How? 1121 01:17:15,806 --> 01:17:18,479 These threats constitute 1122 01:17:18,646 --> 01:17:22,844 an attack on the people's inalienable democratic right 1123 01:17:23,006 --> 01:17:28,558 to have leaders of their choice, who must be protected by every possible means, 1124 01:17:28,726 --> 01:17:32,605 no matter how much we might regret the necessity for doing so. 1125 01:17:32,766 --> 01:17:35,917 Beautifully argued, Minister. My view exactly. 1126 01:17:36,086 --> 01:17:39,078 Or else you're a dead duck. 1127 01:17:39,646 --> 01:17:41,557 Good God! What's that? 1128 01:17:41,726 --> 01:17:43,956 - The petition's arrived. - Petition? 1129 01:17:44,126 --> 01:17:46,845 Against phone tapping and surveillance. 1130 01:17:47,006 --> 01:17:51,124 The one you started in opposition. 2.25 million signatures. 1131 01:17:51,286 --> 01:17:53,117 But we need surveillance! 1132 01:17:53,286 --> 01:17:56,483 It's an essential weapon in our fight against crime, right? 1133 01:17:56,646 --> 01:17:59,399 I couldn't have put it better myself. 1134 01:17:59,566 --> 01:18:05,163 - I see. Shall I file it? - Shred it! No one must find it. 1135 01:18:05,326 --> 01:18:08,716 In that case, I think it's best I file it. 1136 01:18:38,246 --> 01:18:41,283 Great way to spend a second honeymoon! 1137 01:18:41,446 --> 01:18:42,765 Table for...? 1138 01:18:42,926 --> 01:18:44,359 - Eight! - Two. 1139 01:18:44,526 --> 01:18:47,518 I've a nice table by the window. 1140 01:18:47,686 --> 01:18:50,120 - We've chosen the target's table. - Target? 1141 01:18:50,286 --> 01:18:53,642 Sorry, Minister. Over there by the kitchen door. 1142 01:18:58,366 --> 01:19:00,243 You sit here, sir. 1143 01:19:00,406 --> 01:19:04,797 Constable Ross will be watching the kitchen door, your escape route. 1144 01:19:04,966 --> 01:19:09,881 We're not expecting assassins here, since we only booked this morning. 1145 01:19:10,046 --> 01:19:16,235 I'll sit by the window. If you hear gunshots, get under the table. 1146 01:19:16,406 --> 01:19:18,761 I'm not really worried. 1147 01:19:21,806 --> 01:19:23,762 (POP!) 1148 01:19:25,926 --> 01:19:29,555 It was just a champagne cork, darling. 1149 01:19:30,446 --> 01:19:32,437 Just practising. 1150 01:19:34,126 --> 01:19:36,765 (DETECTIVE) I'll have spaghetti bolognaise, 1151 01:19:36,926 --> 01:19:42,796 then T-bone steak, peas, beans, cauliflower and chips, 1152 01:19:42,966 --> 01:19:47,960 and a bottle of Château Baron Philippe de Rothschild 1961. 1153 01:19:49,646 --> 01:19:52,240 Takes it out of you, this job. 1154 01:19:57,006 --> 01:19:59,076 - Beautiful, isn't it? - Beautiful. 1155 01:19:59,246 --> 01:20:01,476 Quiet and peaceful. 1156 01:20:01,646 --> 01:20:03,762 Lovely to get away from it all. 1157 01:20:03,926 --> 01:20:05,917 Lovely. 1158 01:20:15,846 --> 01:20:18,076 - This all right for you? - Lovely. 1159 01:20:18,246 --> 01:20:21,044 Not James Bond? I thought it was "Belle du Jour". 1160 01:20:21,206 --> 01:20:25,199 Yes, but they didn't want to see a foreign film. 1161 01:20:33,646 --> 01:20:35,637 (OMINOUS MUSIC) 1162 01:20:46,086 --> 01:20:48,077 (MUSIC BUILDS) 1163 01:21:03,966 --> 01:21:05,285 (GUNSHOT) 1164 01:21:10,126 --> 01:21:12,117 I can't stand this. 1165 01:21:22,366 --> 01:21:26,757 - Target in there now? - Yeah, with his wife. 1166 01:21:26,926 --> 01:21:30,601 - They going out again? - Nah, turned in for the night. 1167 01:21:30,766 --> 01:21:34,395 They don't seem to be enjoying the holiday. 1168 01:21:34,566 --> 01:21:36,557 Wonder why...? 1169 01:21:37,326 --> 01:21:39,521 I can't sleep here. 1170 01:21:39,686 --> 01:21:41,483 I'm going home. 1171 01:21:44,406 --> 01:21:46,874 What the hell's all this? 1172 01:21:47,046 --> 01:21:51,039 (DETECTIVE) Local force, sir, showing they're doing their bit. 1173 01:22:03,446 --> 01:22:04,765 (KNOCK AT DOOR) 1174 01:22:05,166 --> 01:22:07,805 Come in. Oh, you're in! 1175 01:22:07,966 --> 01:22:11,242 - May I just check the windows? - Go ahead. 1176 01:22:16,566 --> 01:22:18,682 Thank you. Goodnight, sir. 1177 01:22:18,846 --> 01:22:20,643 Sleep well. 1178 01:22:22,566 --> 01:22:26,479 Don't worry, darling. You'll get used to being a famous man's wife. 1179 01:22:26,646 --> 01:22:28,045 I hope so. 1180 01:22:28,206 --> 01:22:31,881 I don't want to be a famous man's widow! 1181 01:22:33,126 --> 01:22:35,196 But... I don't follow. 1182 01:22:35,366 --> 01:22:37,755 You want to stop phone tapping, 1183 01:22:37,926 --> 01:22:43,239 you get this petition of 2.25 million signatures to boost your case, 1184 01:22:43,406 --> 01:22:47,319 and you won't even give me a quote saying you welcome it. 1185 01:22:49,686 --> 01:22:52,484 A promise to implement its recommendations? 1186 01:22:52,646 --> 01:22:55,240 - It's not that simple. - Why not? 1187 01:22:55,406 --> 01:23:00,161 - There are security implications. - There always were. 1188 01:23:02,806 --> 01:23:07,880 OK, I'll make an even bigger story: "Minister rejects his own petition." 1189 01:23:08,046 --> 01:23:10,002 Now, hold on! I... 1190 01:23:10,166 --> 01:23:13,158 Are you accepting it or rejecting it? 1191 01:23:14,286 --> 01:23:16,038 No. 1192 01:23:18,326 --> 01:23:25,118 My editor asks if being on this death list has altered your views on phone tapping. 1193 01:23:25,766 --> 01:23:28,519 Heavens! What an extraordinary idea! 1194 01:23:28,686 --> 01:23:32,725 - So why this change of tune? - No change of tune. 1195 01:23:32,886 --> 01:23:34,205 (KNOCK) 1196 01:23:34,366 --> 01:23:38,962 - Can Sir Humphrey see you? - Humphrey! What can I do for you? 1197 01:23:39,126 --> 01:23:41,720 - Excuse us. - Won't be a minute. 1198 01:23:41,886 --> 01:23:43,604 I'll wait out there. 1199 01:23:43,766 --> 01:23:45,085 Good weekend? 1200 01:23:45,246 --> 01:23:48,443 Marvellous. Me, Annie and half of Special Branch. 1201 01:23:48,606 --> 01:23:53,316 - Rozzers with guns. Unforgettable! - The burdens of office! 1202 01:23:53,486 --> 01:23:57,923 - This can't go on. - You said it! It isn't going to. 1203 01:23:58,086 --> 01:24:01,237 Special Branch is withdrawing your protection. 1204 01:24:01,406 --> 01:24:05,558 Wait a minute! I didn't mean... Why? 1205 01:24:06,326 --> 01:24:10,558 They've suffered an acute personnel establishment shortfall. 1206 01:24:10,726 --> 01:24:14,355 - They're what? - Short-staffed. No more protection. 1207 01:24:14,526 --> 01:24:16,039 Short-staffed?! 1208 01:24:16,206 --> 01:24:21,121 There's a more dangerous threat to the Soviet premier at Chequers. 1209 01:24:21,286 --> 01:24:24,517 - But he's Russian, I'm British! - In fact, 1210 01:24:24,686 --> 01:24:28,998 Special Branch believe the threat to your life has diminished. 1211 01:24:29,166 --> 01:24:30,918 How do they know? 1212 01:24:31,086 --> 01:24:33,680 Surveillance of a conversation. 1213 01:24:33,846 --> 01:24:36,918 - What did it say? - It's of no... 1214 01:24:37,086 --> 01:24:38,758 I've a right to know. 1215 01:24:38,926 --> 01:24:41,520 Well, it was to the effect that, 1216 01:24:41,686 --> 01:24:45,645 in view of the nebulous and inexplicit nature of your remit, 1217 01:24:45,806 --> 01:24:51,483 the arguably marginal and peripheral nature of your influence on decisions 1218 01:24:51,646 --> 01:24:53,716 within the political process, 1219 01:24:53,886 --> 01:24:57,162 there could be a case for restructuring their action priorities 1220 01:24:57,326 --> 01:25:02,320 so as to eliminate your liquidation from their immediate agenda. 1221 01:25:03,846 --> 01:25:06,041 They said that? 1222 01:25:06,206 --> 01:25:08,720 That was the gist of it. 1223 01:25:10,446 --> 01:25:12,482 What's it mean in English? 1224 01:25:12,646 --> 01:25:19,040 Well, it means that they don't think you're really important enough 1225 01:25:19,206 --> 01:25:22,278 for it to be worth assassinating you. 1226 01:25:30,926 --> 01:25:32,245 Oh! 1227 01:25:33,086 --> 01:25:37,398 - I don't agree, of course. - You mean...? 1228 01:25:37,566 --> 01:25:39,397 What? 1229 01:25:39,566 --> 01:25:42,922 - They should assassinate me? - No, no, no! 1230 01:25:43,086 --> 01:25:46,840 - I'm not important enough? - No, no... 1231 01:25:47,006 --> 01:25:49,520 I mean you are important enough, 1232 01:25:49,686 --> 01:25:52,962 but they shouldn't assassinate you anyway. 1233 01:25:53,966 --> 01:25:57,720 That's marvellous. Not that I was ever worried. 1234 01:25:57,886 --> 01:25:59,604 (KNOCK) 1235 01:25:59,926 --> 01:26:01,723 Mr Fowler's waiting. 1236 01:26:01,886 --> 01:26:04,320 Yes, bring him in. 1237 01:26:04,486 --> 01:26:08,320 Have we still got that petition? If so, show Mr Fowler. 1238 01:26:08,486 --> 01:26:13,355 - The petition? But you said... - Yes, I did, but bring it in. 1239 01:26:14,526 --> 01:26:17,962 - Antennae, Bernard. - Yes! Yes, indeed. 1240 01:26:18,126 --> 01:26:21,198 - The petition you were pleased...? - That's right. 1241 01:26:21,366 --> 01:26:23,243 God! 1242 01:26:24,166 --> 01:26:27,522 - The paper must have an answer. - Of course. 1243 01:26:27,686 --> 01:26:30,883 I want you to know I welcome this petition warmly! 1244 01:26:31,046 --> 01:26:36,404 It's not just the sort of thing you can sweep under the carpet. 1245 01:26:36,566 --> 01:26:40,115 As for death lists, well, Ministers are dispensable, 1246 01:26:40,286 --> 01:26:43,562 but freedom is indivisible, right, Humphrey? 1247 01:26:43,726 --> 01:26:45,717 Yes, Minister. 1248 01:28:11,580 --> 01:28:14,219 Humphrey, what are you havering about? 1249 01:28:14,380 --> 01:28:17,850 I'm simply saying we can't take the Minister's approval for granted. 1250 01:28:18,020 --> 01:28:20,614 The Italian government have offered a massive contract 1251 01:28:20,780 --> 01:28:24,056 to manufacture propanol at our Merseyside plant, 1252 01:28:24,220 --> 01:28:28,532 which means saving a plant we were going to have to close, 1253 01:28:28,700 --> 01:28:32,488 saving jobs, earning export royalties. 1254 01:28:32,660 --> 01:28:36,892 - He has to give us the go-ahead. - But if the Minister thinks... 1255 01:28:37,060 --> 01:28:38,732 Ministers don't think! 1256 01:28:40,740 --> 01:28:42,651 Don't talk to me about Ministers. 1257 01:28:42,820 --> 01:28:46,369 I've been chairman of British Chemical Corporation for ten years, 1258 01:28:46,540 --> 01:28:50,169 and in that time dealt with nineteen different Ministers. 1259 01:28:50,340 --> 01:28:52,774 They've usually not had time to see me, 1260 01:28:52,940 --> 01:28:57,889 because they're too busy bribing Trade Union leaders not to strike. 1261 01:28:58,060 --> 01:29:01,211 - They've never bribed anybody. - Oh, no? 1262 01:29:01,380 --> 01:29:04,850 "Have a quango, Tom; a knighthood, Dick; a peerage, Harry." 1263 01:29:05,020 --> 01:29:08,695 - But the Minister's worried... - Of course he's worried! 1264 01:29:08,860 --> 01:29:13,980 If I'd never done anything to worry those vote-grabbing baby-kissing jellies, 1265 01:29:14,140 --> 01:29:16,608 we'd have gone down the tube years ago! 1266 01:29:16,780 --> 01:29:20,739 - But propanol contains metadioxin. - So what? 1267 01:29:20,900 --> 01:29:24,654 Dioxin was released at Seveso. It can damage the foetus. 1268 01:29:24,820 --> 01:29:29,098 That's dioxin, for Christ's sake! Metadioxin is an inert compound. 1269 01:29:29,260 --> 01:29:32,536 It's been given a clean bill of health by Washington. 1270 01:29:32,700 --> 01:29:35,976 The Henderson Committee, which you set up, will give it the OK, too. 1271 01:29:36,140 --> 01:29:39,974 I know, Wally, but the name could be politically sensitive. 1272 01:29:40,140 --> 01:29:42,973 But I've taken metadioxin out of the proposal. 1273 01:29:43,140 --> 01:29:45,574 - I call it propanol. - Very wise of you. 1274 01:29:45,740 --> 01:29:49,130 - You told me to. - Very wise of me! 1275 01:29:49,300 --> 01:29:55,136 But the Minister may raise no objections, it just needs tact. 1276 01:29:55,300 --> 01:29:58,815 Fine. In that case, there's no problem. 1277 01:29:58,980 --> 01:30:04,737 I'll have a tactful word with Hacker and persuade the blancmange myself. 1278 01:30:05,340 --> 01:30:08,571 Don't take this amiss, Wally, 1279 01:30:08,740 --> 01:30:14,690 but I might just be able to manage without your unique... brand of tact. 1280 01:30:16,180 --> 01:30:19,058 - This is wonderful news, Humphrey. - Yes, Minister. 1281 01:30:19,220 --> 01:30:24,692 We turn a run-down plant from loss-maker into a profitable unit, 1282 01:30:24,860 --> 01:30:27,693 the largest manufacturer of propanol in Europe. 1283 01:30:27,860 --> 01:30:31,489 - Yes, Minister. - Equipment made in UK factories. 1284 01:30:31,660 --> 01:30:35,573 Income for the local authorities, foreign exchange from exports. 1285 01:30:35,740 --> 01:30:37,970 - Too good to be true! - It is true. 1286 01:30:38,140 --> 01:30:42,292 Good old propanol... What is propanol, actually? 1287 01:30:42,860 --> 01:30:47,251 It used to be made with dioxin until the Seveso explosion, 1288 01:30:47,420 --> 01:30:52,050 then they developed a safe compound, metadioxin. 1289 01:30:52,220 --> 01:30:56,771 The Italian factory is sealed off so they've asked the BCC to make it. 1290 01:30:56,940 --> 01:30:59,170 - An ill wind. - Quite so. 1291 01:30:59,340 --> 01:31:02,616 - But this stuff is perfectly safe? - Perfectly. 1292 01:31:02,780 --> 01:31:07,171 Weak Ministers might have doubts over the similarity of the names, 1293 01:31:07,340 --> 01:31:11,856 but no one with any backbone would be deflected from such a beneficial project 1294 01:31:12,020 --> 01:31:14,250 on such a useless pretext. 1295 01:31:14,460 --> 01:31:18,055 I know just the sort of Minister you mean. Political jellyfish. 1296 01:31:18,220 --> 01:31:21,053 Terrified of taking any decision. 1297 01:31:21,220 --> 01:31:24,212 After all, every decision upsets someone, doesn't it? 1298 01:31:24,380 --> 01:31:28,498 Good government is doing what's right, not just what's popular. 1299 01:31:28,660 --> 01:31:31,493 - Absolutely, Minister. - But this will be popular? 1300 01:31:31,660 --> 01:31:35,335 - Very popular. - Humphrey, I want to be sure. 1301 01:31:35,500 --> 01:31:40,255 You not asking me to make a courageous decision, are you? 1302 01:31:40,420 --> 01:31:42,536 Of course not, Minister. 1303 01:31:42,700 --> 01:31:45,737 Good, good. Should I take it to Cabinet? 1304 01:31:45,900 --> 01:31:48,573 - I think the less said, the better. - Why? 1305 01:31:48,740 --> 01:31:51,174 Although metadioxin is totally harmless, 1306 01:31:51,340 --> 01:31:54,650 the name may cause anxiety in ignorant minds. 1307 01:31:54,820 --> 01:31:58,529 Humphrey, you're talking about my Cabinet colleagues. 1308 01:31:58,700 --> 01:32:00,656 I was referring to the Friends of the Earth. 1309 01:32:00,820 --> 01:32:02,139 (PHONE RINGS) 1310 01:32:03,100 --> 01:32:06,775 Yes? Joan Littler has arrived, MP for Liverpool South West. 1311 01:32:06,940 --> 01:32:08,578 Know what she wants? 1312 01:32:08,740 --> 01:32:13,097 She's the Prime Minister's PPS, and the new plant is in her constituency. 1313 01:32:13,260 --> 01:32:18,129 - Show her in. If you'll excuse us? - The PM's PPS? I think I'll stay. 1314 01:32:18,780 --> 01:32:21,340 Joan Littler, member for Liverpool South West. 1315 01:32:21,500 --> 01:32:25,254 - Do you know Humphrey Appleby? - Delighted to meet you. 1316 01:32:25,420 --> 01:32:27,217 Do take a seat. 1317 01:32:27,380 --> 01:32:29,894 - Thank you, Bernard. - Bernard... 1318 01:32:31,500 --> 01:32:34,060 Now, what can I do for you? 1319 01:32:34,220 --> 01:32:38,771 Jim, what's the British Chemical Corporation up to in my constituency? 1320 01:32:38,940 --> 01:32:43,570 They'll be announcing a very exciting project, with new jobs. 1321 01:32:43,740 --> 01:32:47,415 Yes... but there's some very worrying rumours. 1322 01:32:47,580 --> 01:32:50,048 - Such as? - Rumours of dangerous chemicals. 1323 01:32:50,220 --> 01:32:52,575 All chemicals are dangerous... 1324 01:32:52,740 --> 01:32:57,052 The Minister means the rumours are unfounded, no cause for alarm. 1325 01:32:57,220 --> 01:33:01,896 Can I have your assurance there'll be a full public enquiry? 1326 01:33:02,620 --> 01:33:04,099 Not a bad idea... 1327 01:33:04,260 --> 01:33:08,731 The Minister was about to say there's no need for an enquiry. 1328 01:33:08,900 --> 01:33:14,611 - A report will be issued shortly. - I came here to talk to Jim. 1329 01:33:14,780 --> 01:33:18,455 - You are talking to him. - But he's not answering, you are! 1330 01:33:19,460 --> 01:33:22,054 - The Minister and I are of one mind. - Whose? Yours? 1331 01:33:25,100 --> 01:33:30,094 I've heard this factory made the chemical that poisoned Seveso! 1332 01:33:30,260 --> 01:33:32,376 - That's not true. - Isn't it? 1333 01:33:32,540 --> 01:33:36,453 The chemical in Seveso was dioxin. This is metadioxin. 1334 01:33:36,620 --> 01:33:40,090 - That's virtually the same thing. - Just a similar name. 1335 01:33:40,260 --> 01:33:43,696 It's the same name with "meta" stuck on the front. 1336 01:33:43,860 --> 01:33:48,058 - That makes all the difference. - Why? What does "meta" mean? 1337 01:33:50,180 --> 01:33:54,173 - What does "meta" mean, Humphrey? - "With", "after" or "beyond". 1338 01:33:54,340 --> 01:33:59,368 From the Greek, of course. "After" dioxin or "beyond" dioxin. 1339 01:33:59,540 --> 01:34:03,613 If it's in the accusative, it's "beyond or after", 1340 01:34:03,780 --> 01:34:07,739 with the genitive it's "with", as in Latin, as you no doubt recall. 1341 01:34:07,900 --> 01:34:11,370 The ablative is used for words needing "with" to precede them. 1342 01:34:11,540 --> 01:34:15,419 But of course, there isn't an ablative in Greek. 1343 01:34:15,580 --> 01:34:18,572 - Well done, Bernard. - Thank you. 1344 01:34:21,220 --> 01:34:24,576 - You see? - Not exactly, no. 1345 01:34:24,740 --> 01:34:28,210 - I thought that was perfectly plain. - What I insist on knowing 1346 01:34:28,380 --> 01:34:32,771 is what is the actual difference between dioxin and metadioxin. 1347 01:34:32,940 --> 01:34:37,013 Metadioxin is an inert compound of dioxin. 1348 01:34:37,180 --> 01:34:39,933 I think I follow that, Humphrey, 1349 01:34:40,100 --> 01:34:43,570 but could you explain it a little more clearly? 1350 01:34:43,740 --> 01:34:47,016 - In what sense, Minister? - What does "inert" mean? 1351 01:34:47,180 --> 01:34:49,819 It means it's not... 1352 01:34:50,940 --> 01:34:52,737 ...ert. 1353 01:34:55,940 --> 01:34:58,454 Wouldn't "ert" a fly. 1354 01:34:59,260 --> 01:35:03,048 - What did you say, Bernard? - Nothing, Minister. 1355 01:35:03,220 --> 01:35:06,769 - What does that mean in practical terms? - You mean chemically? 1356 01:35:06,940 --> 01:35:10,649 - Yes, chemically. - What does it mean chemically? 1357 01:35:10,820 --> 01:35:13,732 I can't explain it in layman's language... 1358 01:35:13,900 --> 01:35:17,415 - Do you know any chemistry? - Of course not, Minister. 1359 01:35:17,580 --> 01:35:20,492 I was in the scholarship form. 1360 01:35:20,660 --> 01:35:22,173 Classics. 1361 01:35:22,340 --> 01:35:25,730 - And what's a compound? - Don't you know any chemistry? 1362 01:35:25,900 --> 01:35:28,573 No. Do you? 1363 01:35:28,740 --> 01:35:33,291 - We ought to, oughtn't we? - A compound is a... 1364 01:35:33,460 --> 01:35:39,057 You know what compound interest is? Yes, well, a jolly good thing. 1365 01:35:39,220 --> 01:35:41,973 That's the sort of thing a compound is. 1366 01:35:43,620 --> 01:35:45,099 That's it, then. 1367 01:35:45,260 --> 01:35:49,538 To sum up, I think we're all of the same mind, broadly speaking. 1368 01:35:49,700 --> 01:35:52,419 We're ready to go ahead. 1369 01:35:52,580 --> 01:35:55,572 I've said no such thing! 1370 01:35:57,260 --> 01:35:59,979 The only difference is in the name, 1371 01:36:00,140 --> 01:36:04,019 dioxin and metadioxin, like... Littler and Hitler. 1372 01:36:04,620 --> 01:36:07,612 Not that you're like Hitler because your name's similar! 1373 01:36:08,140 --> 01:36:10,335 - That's not the point. - What is the point? 1374 01:36:10,500 --> 01:36:13,412 The point is this factory is in my constituency! 1375 01:36:13,580 --> 01:36:17,050 It'll be good for the constituency, more jobs, more money. 1376 01:36:17,220 --> 01:36:20,929 The only people we'll offend are a few environmentalists. 1377 01:36:21,100 --> 01:36:24,251 At most, it won't cost us more than 100 votes. 1378 01:36:24,940 --> 01:36:28,649 My majority is 91. 1379 01:36:28,820 --> 01:36:32,449 Not to mention the three marginal constituencies bordering mine! 1380 01:36:32,620 --> 01:36:34,576 Could I intervene just once more? 1381 01:36:34,740 --> 01:36:38,369 The case for the BCC manufacturing propanol is overwhelming. 1382 01:36:38,540 --> 01:36:39,859 Overwhelming. 1383 01:36:40,020 --> 01:36:43,899 Great jobs, increased income and secure, profitable export orders. 1384 01:36:44,060 --> 01:36:45,618 - Export orders. - Furthermore... 1385 01:36:45,780 --> 01:36:49,136 the drug has been declared safe by Washington, 1386 01:36:49,300 --> 01:36:51,609 - Washington. - We're preparing a report, too. 1387 01:36:51,780 --> 01:36:53,611 The Minister is confident 1388 01:36:53,780 --> 01:36:57,853 that this scheme is to the advantage of your constituency and the country. 1389 01:36:58,020 --> 01:37:01,649 If it proves not to be safe, I won't allow its manufacture here. 1390 01:37:01,820 --> 01:37:06,530 But if the report says it is safe, that'd be absurd, wouldn't it? 1391 01:37:07,220 --> 01:37:10,257 I'm not satisfied with that, Jim. 1392 01:37:10,420 --> 01:37:13,696 Remember that the party made you an MP, 1393 01:37:13,860 --> 01:37:18,456 and you can't be a Minister if your party loses the next election. 1394 01:37:22,460 --> 01:37:24,655 You still don't look happy, Minister. 1395 01:37:24,820 --> 01:37:29,177 Suppose the report isn't as conclusive as you say. 1396 01:37:29,340 --> 01:37:32,696 - Oughtn't I to meet this Henderson? - No need. 1397 01:37:32,860 --> 01:37:36,694 He's a brilliant Cambridge biochemist, chosen with some care. 1398 01:37:36,860 --> 01:37:40,136 Suppose he produces a cautious, wait-and-see report? 1399 01:37:40,300 --> 01:37:43,292 We don't publish it. We use the American report instead. 1400 01:37:43,460 --> 01:37:45,098 Fine! 1401 01:37:46,300 --> 01:37:50,134 - You mean we suppress it? - No, we just don't publish it. 1402 01:37:50,300 --> 01:37:54,771 - What's the difference? - All the difference in the world! 1403 01:37:54,940 --> 01:37:57,579 Suppression is the instrument of dictatorships. 1404 01:37:57,740 --> 01:38:00,652 We don't talk of that sort of thing in a free country. 1405 01:38:00,820 --> 01:38:03,254 We take a democratic decision not to publish. 1406 01:38:04,620 --> 01:38:08,374 Fine. What am I to say to the press and parliament? 1407 01:38:08,540 --> 01:38:11,657 "We hoped the report would say it was a wise decision." 1408 01:38:11,820 --> 01:38:15,449 "But we've cocked it up so we'll pretend the report doesn't exist." 1409 01:38:15,620 --> 01:38:17,895 - Very droll. - What would I say? 1410 01:38:18,060 --> 01:38:20,972 There's a Government procedure for suppress... 1411 01:38:21,140 --> 01:38:24,052 ...deciding not to publish reports. - Really? 1412 01:38:24,220 --> 01:38:26,415 You simply discredit them. 1413 01:38:26,580 --> 01:38:28,571 Good heavens! 1414 01:38:29,900 --> 01:38:31,652 How? 1415 01:38:32,700 --> 01:38:36,409 Stage One, give your reasons in terms of the public interest. 1416 01:38:36,580 --> 01:38:40,971 - Hint at security considerations... - Mind if I make a note? 1417 01:38:41,140 --> 01:38:46,168 This could be useful for discrediting some of the party's idiotic research documents. 1418 01:38:46,340 --> 01:38:51,653 The report could put pressure on Government and be misinterpreted. 1419 01:38:51,820 --> 01:38:55,529 Anything could be misinterpreted. The Sermon on the Mount could be! 1420 01:38:55,700 --> 01:39:01,696 Indeed, it could be argued the Sermon should not have been published. 1421 01:39:02,580 --> 01:39:04,810 A most irresponsible document. 1422 01:39:04,980 --> 01:39:07,448 All that stuff about the meek inheriting the earth 1423 01:39:07,620 --> 01:39:11,659 could do irreparable damage to the defence budget. 1424 01:39:11,820 --> 01:39:14,095 I suppose you're right. What else? 1425 01:39:14,260 --> 01:39:18,731 Say it's better to wait for a more detailed study over longer time. 1426 01:39:19,340 --> 01:39:22,173 - Suppose there isn't one? - Commission one. 1427 01:39:22,340 --> 01:39:24,695 Gives you even more time to play with. 1428 01:39:24,860 --> 01:39:28,409 - All this is Stage One? - Yes. In Stage Two... 1429 01:39:28,580 --> 01:39:31,014 discredit the evidence you're not publishing. 1430 01:39:31,180 --> 01:39:35,810 - How, if you're not publishing it? - It's easier if it's not published. 1431 01:39:35,980 --> 01:39:39,052 Do it by press leaks, of course, not directly. 1432 01:39:39,220 --> 01:39:42,576 Say it leaves important questions unanswered, 1433 01:39:42,740 --> 01:39:44,537 the evidence is inconclusive, 1434 01:39:44,700 --> 01:39:47,658 the figures are open to other interpretations, 1435 01:39:47,820 --> 01:39:51,335 that certain findings are contradictory, 1436 01:39:51,500 --> 01:39:55,254 and that some of the main conclusions have been questioned. 1437 01:39:55,420 --> 01:39:58,696 - Suppose they haven't? - Then question them! 1438 01:39:58,860 --> 01:40:00,771 Then they have! 1439 01:40:01,580 --> 01:40:04,890 But you'd have to go through it with a fine-toothed comb. 1440 01:40:05,060 --> 01:40:09,212 No, no, no. You'd say all these things without reading it. 1441 01:40:09,380 --> 01:40:11,496 There's always some questions unanswered. 1442 01:40:11,660 --> 01:40:14,777 - Such as? - The ones that weren't asked. 1443 01:40:15,820 --> 01:40:18,573 - That's Stage Two? - Yes. In Stage Three... 1444 01:40:18,740 --> 01:40:21,493 you undermine recommendations. 1445 01:40:21,660 --> 01:40:24,174 "Not a basis for long-term decisions." 1446 01:40:24,340 --> 01:40:29,573 "Not sufficient information on which to base a valid assessment." 1447 01:40:29,740 --> 01:40:33,733 "Not really any need for a fundamental rethink of policies." 1448 01:40:33,900 --> 01:40:37,893 "Broadly speaking, endorses current practice." It's easy. 1449 01:40:38,060 --> 01:40:39,891 - That works? - Nearly always. 1450 01:40:40,060 --> 01:40:42,813 - Suppose it doesn't? - Move on to Stage Four. 1451 01:40:42,980 --> 01:40:47,735 - Stage Four? - Discredit the man who produced the report. 1452 01:40:47,900 --> 01:40:49,492 Off the record. 1453 01:40:49,660 --> 01:40:53,699 Say that he's harbouring a grudge against the Government 1454 01:40:53,860 --> 01:40:58,729 or, better still, that he used to be a consultant to a multi-national company. 1455 01:40:58,900 --> 01:41:02,495 - Supposing he wasn't? - Then he's hoping to be. 1456 01:41:02,660 --> 01:41:05,379 Everybody's hoping to be a consultant to a multi-national. 1457 01:41:05,540 --> 01:41:10,819 Or he's trying for a knighthood or vice-chancellorship. 1458 01:41:10,980 --> 01:41:13,574 There are endless possibilities. 1459 01:41:13,740 --> 01:41:15,139 Excuse me. 1460 01:41:15,300 --> 01:41:19,578 The press officer rang to say there's an item on the news. 1461 01:41:19,740 --> 01:41:21,970 Yes, yes. Why wasn't I told? 1462 01:41:22,140 --> 01:41:25,337 The BCC aren't obliged to clear it with us. 1463 01:41:26,940 --> 01:41:30,250 ... a row has blown up on Merseyside 1464 01:41:30,420 --> 01:41:34,493 about a plan for the BCC to manufacture propanol 1465 01:41:34,660 --> 01:41:36,890 under licence for the Italian government. 1466 01:41:37,060 --> 01:41:39,733 Apparently, propanol contains metadioxin, 1467 01:41:39,900 --> 01:41:43,370 which the BCC claims to be completely harmless. 1468 01:41:43,540 --> 01:41:46,008 It is a compound of dioxin, 1469 01:41:46,180 --> 01:41:52,255 the chemical released after an explosion at Seveso in July 1976, 1470 01:41:52,420 --> 01:41:55,617 spreading poisonous dust over a 4-mile radius. 1471 01:41:57,420 --> 01:42:02,335 0n Merseyside, protesters voiced their opposition to the BCC scheme 1472 01:42:02,500 --> 01:42:04,411 outside the factory gates. 1473 01:42:04,580 --> 01:42:07,572 (CR0WD SH0UTING AND JEERING) 1474 01:42:10,580 --> 01:42:13,458 I'll tell you what we'll do. 1475 01:42:13,620 --> 01:42:17,613 Sir Wally can take his poison chemicals somewhere elsel 1476 01:42:17,780 --> 01:42:19,850 I've a daughter expecting a baby, 1477 01:42:20,020 --> 01:42:24,411 and my grandchild's not gonna be deformed for them bloody Eyeties' sakel 1478 01:42:26,060 --> 01:42:30,338 If the Government cared about people, they'd never allow itl 1479 01:42:31,060 --> 01:42:35,212 The BCC said a report on the safety of propanol 1480 01:42:35,380 --> 01:42:38,895 was due to be published shortly by the Department of Administrative Affairs. 1481 01:42:39,540 --> 01:42:42,293 And now abroad again... 1482 01:42:45,020 --> 01:42:49,059 - This metadioxin is dynamite. - It's totally harmless. 1483 01:42:49,220 --> 01:42:51,450 Only chemically, not politically. 1484 01:42:51,620 --> 01:42:55,090 - It can't hurt anyone. - It could finish me off! 1485 01:42:56,100 --> 01:42:59,775 Yes? Minister, Number 10 on the phone. 1486 01:42:59,940 --> 01:43:04,013 The political office - the PM's just seen the news. 1487 01:43:10,980 --> 01:43:12,971 Hello, Jim here! 1488 01:43:13,820 --> 01:43:16,050 Yes, I just saw that, too. 1489 01:43:16,220 --> 01:43:20,498 We don't need to be too worried about a little local difficulty. 1490 01:43:20,660 --> 01:43:24,369 Not in view of the jobs and exports... 1491 01:43:25,100 --> 01:43:27,091 No, not many jobs. 1492 01:43:28,020 --> 01:43:29,976 Ninety, I think. 1493 01:43:30,140 --> 01:43:31,937 Yes, but... 1494 01:43:32,500 --> 01:43:34,297 You do, do you? 1495 01:43:34,460 --> 01:43:36,416 Yes, well... 1496 01:43:36,580 --> 01:43:40,573 I was coming round to that viewpoint myself. 1497 01:43:46,580 --> 01:43:48,457 Humphrey... 1498 01:43:51,780 --> 01:43:54,897 - Something just struck me. - I noticed. 1499 01:43:57,220 --> 01:43:59,336 There are arguments against this scheme. 1500 01:44:00,020 --> 01:44:04,935 - Minister, you've already agreed... - It could lead to a loss of... 1501 01:44:05,100 --> 01:44:08,410 ...public confidence. - You mean votes? 1502 01:44:08,580 --> 01:44:14,098 Votes? No, no. It's not the votes that are a consideration at all. 1503 01:44:14,260 --> 01:44:16,854 But you see, it's the public will. 1504 01:44:17,020 --> 01:44:18,738 This is a democracy... 1505 01:44:18,900 --> 01:44:22,688 - and the people don't like it. - The people are ignorant and misguided. 1506 01:44:22,860 --> 01:44:25,579 It was the people who elected me! 1507 01:44:27,740 --> 01:44:30,857 In a week, the whole thing will have blown over, 1508 01:44:31,020 --> 01:44:35,457 and in a year's time, we'll have a safe and successful factory. 1509 01:44:35,620 --> 01:44:37,178 A week's a long time in politics. 1510 01:44:37,340 --> 01:44:39,331 A year's a short time in Government. 1511 01:44:39,500 --> 01:44:42,617 You're in Government, I'm in politics and the PM is not pleased. 1512 01:44:42,780 --> 01:44:46,853 - With the greatest respect... - Going to insult me again? 1513 01:44:47,020 --> 01:44:49,090 You're putting party before country. 1514 01:44:49,260 --> 01:44:51,569 Can't you think of a new cliché? 1515 01:44:51,740 --> 01:44:56,655 Minister, a new cliché could be said to be a contradiction in terms. 1516 01:44:56,820 --> 01:44:59,653 Humphrey, you lead a sheltered life. 1517 01:44:59,820 --> 01:45:02,254 I intend to survive and I'm not crossing the PM. 1518 01:45:02,420 --> 01:45:07,210 Why must you be so concerned with climbing the greasy pole? 1519 01:45:07,380 --> 01:45:09,848 The greasy pole is important. I have to climb it. 1520 01:45:10,020 --> 01:45:11,931 Why? 1521 01:45:12,660 --> 01:45:14,537 'Cause it's there! 1522 01:45:17,220 --> 01:45:20,895 The editor of the Times, please. Thank you, Bernard. 1523 01:45:24,740 --> 01:45:27,573 How come the Times knows about the report before I do? 1524 01:45:27,740 --> 01:45:30,777 - There's been a leak. - I know that! 1525 01:45:30,940 --> 01:45:34,455 It was "Confidential". I only got a draft last night. 1526 01:45:34,620 --> 01:45:36,929 - At least it wasn't "Restricted". - Why? 1527 01:45:37,100 --> 01:45:40,410 "Restricted" means it was in the papers yesterday. 1528 01:45:40,580 --> 01:45:44,539 "Confidential" means it won't be in the papers till today. 1529 01:45:44,700 --> 01:45:46,531 Who leaked this? Humphrey? 1530 01:45:46,700 --> 01:45:49,772 - I'm sure he didn't, Minister. - Are you? 1531 01:45:49,940 --> 01:45:53,171 - He probably didn't. - No? 1532 01:45:53,340 --> 01:45:58,095 - It might have been someone else. - These leaks are a disgrace! 1533 01:45:58,260 --> 01:46:02,219 - People think it's the politicians. - It has been known. 1534 01:46:04,380 --> 01:46:08,089 In my opinion, we're far more leaked against than leaking. 1535 01:46:08,900 --> 01:46:13,416 "Political cowardice to reject the BCC proposal... craven expediency." 1536 01:46:13,580 --> 01:46:15,571 "Hacker has no choice." 1537 01:46:15,740 --> 01:46:18,129 Humphrey thinks he's got me committed! 1538 01:46:18,300 --> 01:46:22,339 It's an unofficial leak of a draft report. You're committed to nothing. 1539 01:46:22,500 --> 01:46:25,572 Does the report give you a way out? 1540 01:46:26,420 --> 01:46:29,457 Sir Wally McFarlane is waiting to see you. 1541 01:46:29,620 --> 01:46:33,056 All right. But he's wasting his time. 1542 01:46:33,820 --> 01:46:37,210 - Come in, please, Sir Wally. - Thank you. Morning. 1543 01:46:37,380 --> 01:46:39,814 - Morning. - May I join you, Minister? 1544 01:46:41,260 --> 01:46:45,014 - If you like. Do sit down. - Thank you, Jim. 1545 01:46:45,180 --> 01:46:48,172 - Now... - Thank you, Bernard. 1546 01:46:50,140 --> 01:46:52,495 Sorry about that. 1547 01:46:52,660 --> 01:46:57,336 I see from the press the Henderson Report comes clearly on our side. 1548 01:46:57,500 --> 01:47:02,528 - I've seen that, too. - That committee leaks like a sieve. 1549 01:47:02,700 --> 01:47:07,091 So there's no real case for refusing permission for the new plant. 1550 01:47:07,580 --> 01:47:10,572 - I'm not sure yet. - Now look, Jim... 1551 01:47:10,740 --> 01:47:15,609 We've been working on this for two years, it's very important. 1552 01:47:15,780 --> 01:47:22,049 I'm the chairman, and I tell you as a chemist, metadioxin is safe. 1553 01:47:22,220 --> 01:47:24,529 You experts always think you're right. 1554 01:47:24,700 --> 01:47:28,534 The more inexpert you are, the more likely you are to be right? 1555 01:47:28,700 --> 01:47:30,497 Ministers are not experts. 1556 01:47:30,660 --> 01:47:33,777 They're chosen because they know nothing. 1557 01:47:33,940 --> 01:47:36,090 You admit that? 1558 01:47:36,260 --> 01:47:38,251 Nothing about technical details. 1559 01:47:38,620 --> 01:47:43,250 Ministers must take a broader view, that's why I cannot commit yet. 1560 01:47:43,420 --> 01:47:44,978 Look, Hacker! 1561 01:47:45,140 --> 01:47:49,292 This is the wrong decision and you know it. It's cowardly and craven! 1562 01:47:49,460 --> 01:47:52,691 - I am not cowardly... - Sit down! 1563 01:47:52,860 --> 01:47:58,014 You'll lose a few votes from a few people in those constituencies? 1564 01:47:58,180 --> 01:48:00,296 - It's pathetic! - It's politics! 1565 01:48:00,460 --> 01:48:01,779 Exactly! 1566 01:48:01,940 --> 01:48:05,216 I'll be writing to the Secretary of State for Industry. 1567 01:48:05,380 --> 01:48:08,690 I am prepared to resign if you block this one! 1568 01:48:14,860 --> 01:48:18,091 How do you feel that went, Minister? 1569 01:48:19,140 --> 01:48:22,291 - We'll have to get another chairman. - Get another?! 1570 01:48:22,460 --> 01:48:25,020 Nobody would accept a job like that! 1571 01:48:25,180 --> 01:48:29,856 Nobody wants to be chairman of a nationalised industry! Instant ruin! 1572 01:48:30,020 --> 01:48:34,491 They may as well accept the golden handshake the day they start. 1573 01:48:34,660 --> 01:48:38,255 - We'll find someone. - Some useless American geriatric. 1574 01:48:38,420 --> 01:48:39,978 Not necessarily. 1575 01:48:40,140 --> 01:48:43,371 How do you expect to find a decent replacement, 1576 01:48:43,540 --> 01:48:47,294 when we forced his predecessor to resign for taking a sound decision, 1577 01:48:47,460 --> 01:48:49,576 which we blocked for political reasons? 1578 01:48:49,740 --> 01:48:53,574 - I have no choice. - A Minister can do what he likes. 1579 01:48:53,740 --> 01:48:59,531 It's the people's will. I am their leader. I must follow them. 1580 01:49:01,700 --> 01:49:03,611 My hands are clean. 1581 01:49:03,780 --> 01:49:07,409 I thought it was rather difficult to keep one's hands clean 1582 01:49:07,580 --> 01:49:09,969 while climbing the greasy pole. 1583 01:49:11,700 --> 01:49:14,089 We must stop Wally making a fuss. 1584 01:49:14,260 --> 01:49:17,058 Press conferences accusing me of lack of faith. 1585 01:49:17,220 --> 01:49:20,769 - Interviews on Panorama. - What am I to do? 1586 01:49:20,940 --> 01:49:25,570 If I stop the scheme, the Times will accuse me of political cowardice. 1587 01:49:25,740 --> 01:49:30,734 If I let it go ahead, the Mirror will say I'm murdering unborn babies. 1588 01:49:30,900 --> 01:49:34,893 If only the report had any doubt about the safety of metadioxin. 1589 01:49:35,060 --> 01:49:39,212 - Are you sure it doesn't, Minister? - Not as it stands. 1590 01:49:39,380 --> 01:49:42,736 - Henderson's a Cambridge man? - Yes. 1591 01:49:42,900 --> 01:49:45,812 - Which college? - King's. Why? 1592 01:49:46,500 --> 01:49:49,697 Nothing. Just wondered if it was my old college. 1593 01:49:49,860 --> 01:49:53,057 Weren't you at the LSE? 1594 01:49:54,580 --> 01:49:56,775 Yes, so I was. 1595 01:49:56,940 --> 01:49:59,500 - Have you got his file? - It's with the report. 1596 01:49:59,660 --> 01:50:02,174 - Got a Cambridge telephone...? - You do realise - 1597 01:50:02,340 --> 01:50:04,331 not that you have any such intention - 1598 01:50:04,500 --> 01:50:08,573 but it would be most improper to influence an independent report of this nature? 1599 01:50:08,740 --> 01:50:10,856 Most improper! Out of the question. 1600 01:50:11,020 --> 01:50:14,979 Just it might be nice to pop down to have tea with my old friend, 1601 01:50:15,140 --> 01:50:19,019 R.A. Crichton, Provost of King's. Get him on the phone. 1602 01:50:19,180 --> 01:50:22,092 Yes, Minister. Get me King's College, Cambridge. 1603 01:50:22,260 --> 01:50:26,970 Who knows? Professor Henderson might drop in for tea. 1604 01:50:27,140 --> 01:50:29,654 That'd be a happy coincidence, wouldn't it? 1605 01:50:29,820 --> 01:50:33,733 - Perfectly natural. - Nothing improper about that. 1606 01:50:33,900 --> 01:50:37,415 - How can a coincidence be improper? - My feeling entirely. 1607 01:50:37,580 --> 01:50:38,899 (PHONE RINGS) 1608 01:50:39,060 --> 01:50:40,573 Yes? 1609 01:50:41,940 --> 01:50:43,453 Lord Crichton, please. 1610 01:50:54,460 --> 01:50:57,372 How's the move from the Commons to the Lords? 1611 01:50:57,540 --> 01:51:00,896 Like moving from animals to vegetables. 1612 01:51:01,060 --> 01:51:04,211 - Professor Henderson's here. - Good to see you. 1613 01:51:04,380 --> 01:51:07,019 Come and meet an old friend, Jim Hacker. 1614 01:51:07,180 --> 01:51:11,332 - Jim, this is Professor Henderson. - Professor Henderson! 1615 01:51:11,500 --> 01:51:13,650 I didn't expect to see the Minister. 1616 01:51:13,820 --> 01:51:17,779 - What a coincidence! - Yes, what a coincidence! 1617 01:51:17,940 --> 01:51:20,215 - You know each other? - We haven't met. 1618 01:51:20,380 --> 01:51:24,498 - I'm writing a report for him. - Well, what a coincidence. 1619 01:51:24,660 --> 01:51:28,175 - Yes, what a coincidence! - Extraordinary coincidence. 1620 01:51:28,340 --> 01:51:32,128 - You're happy with my report? - Absolutely. Delighted. 1621 01:51:32,300 --> 01:51:36,213 - You must've worked very hard. - Most of it was done by Washington. 1622 01:51:36,380 --> 01:51:39,690 Excuse me, I'll go and help with the tea. 1623 01:51:39,860 --> 01:51:43,375 Tell me, have you ever written a Government report before? 1624 01:51:43,540 --> 01:51:47,772 - No. - Your name will be on it forever. 1625 01:51:47,940 --> 01:51:49,259 "Henderson Report". 1626 01:51:49,420 --> 01:51:53,129 - It's a kind of immortality. - I hadn't thought of it like that. 1627 01:51:53,740 --> 01:51:57,176 - But if it were to go wrong... - Go wrong? 1628 01:51:57,740 --> 01:52:02,370 If this metadioxin isn't as safe as you say... 1629 01:52:02,540 --> 01:52:04,019 your career... 1630 01:52:04,180 --> 01:52:06,614 Very courageous! 1631 01:52:06,780 --> 01:52:11,012 None of the standard tests show any evidence of teratogenic toxicity. 1632 01:52:12,300 --> 01:52:15,895 - Standard tests? Quite. - What do you mean? 1633 01:52:16,060 --> 01:52:20,815 Well, I was making a few notes on the train coming down. 1634 01:52:20,980 --> 01:52:23,813 I'm not a biochemist, but it would appear 1635 01:52:23,980 --> 01:52:29,293 that the US report leaves some important questions unanswered. 1636 01:52:29,460 --> 01:52:33,339 Some of the evidence is inconclusive, some findings have been questioned, 1637 01:52:33,500 --> 01:52:36,014 the figures are open to interpretation, 1638 01:52:36,180 --> 01:52:41,618 and different results might come from a more detailed study. 1639 01:52:41,780 --> 01:52:46,251 - Obviously, but... - But if anything did go wrong, 1640 01:52:46,420 --> 01:52:50,208 a delayed effect, the press would go straight to your report. 1641 01:52:51,140 --> 01:52:55,611 And if it turned out that you'd ever done... 1642 01:52:55,780 --> 01:52:59,819 ...laboratory trials for a multi-national drug company... 1643 01:52:59,980 --> 01:53:03,734 - That was 15 years ago. - 14. 1644 01:53:03,900 --> 01:53:06,255 You know what the press is like. 1645 01:53:06,420 --> 01:53:10,493 No smoke without a fire. It could be a millstone! 1646 01:53:10,660 --> 01:53:14,972 The popular press would be merciless, if anything went wrong: 1647 01:53:15,140 --> 01:53:18,610 "Death Agony of Henderson Report Victims." 1648 01:53:18,780 --> 01:53:20,691 Yes... 1649 01:53:20,860 --> 01:53:22,259 Yes...! 1650 01:53:23,380 --> 01:53:25,450 I don't know what to do! 1651 01:53:25,620 --> 01:53:29,818 I can't alter the evidence, the report says it's a safe drug. 1652 01:53:29,980 --> 01:53:33,734 - Quite. I see you have no choice. - Stop talking shop. 1653 01:53:33,900 --> 01:53:37,893 Our Professor of Economics is dying to talk to you. 1654 01:53:42,260 --> 01:53:46,572 You're not worried about this report? I've done lots of these things. 1655 01:53:46,740 --> 01:53:51,211 It's the phrasing of the conclusion, that's all the press ever read. 1656 01:53:51,380 --> 01:53:53,450 Now... how does it end? 1657 01:53:53,620 --> 01:53:59,377 "On existing evidence, the committee can see no reason not to proceed." 1658 01:53:59,540 --> 01:54:04,011 Well, it's just a question of a tidy bit of re-drafting. 1659 01:54:04,180 --> 01:54:10,619 "While the committee feel there's no reason not to proceed on existing evidence, 1660 01:54:10,780 --> 01:54:15,649 "it must be emphasised that metadioxin is a recent compound, 1661 01:54:15,820 --> 01:54:20,098 "and it would be irresponsible to deny, after further research, 1662 01:54:20,260 --> 01:54:25,015 "its manufacture might be proved to be associated with health risks." 1663 01:54:25,180 --> 01:54:28,695 Yes, that seems perfectly fair. 1664 01:54:29,700 --> 01:54:32,294 Could you just say that again? 1665 01:54:32,460 --> 01:54:35,611 Better than that... I'll jot it down for you. 1666 01:54:35,780 --> 01:54:38,692 The Minister for Administrative Affairs, James Hacker, 1667 01:54:38,860 --> 01:54:44,253 has announced he'll not give approval for the BCC to make propanol. 1668 01:54:44,420 --> 01:54:47,776 The Henderson Committee, while generally approving the drug, 1669 01:54:47,940 --> 01:54:52,536 said it could not deny that future research might disclose risks. 1670 01:54:52,700 --> 01:54:55,009 (CROWDS CHEERING) 1671 01:54:55,540 --> 01:55:00,216 Mr Hacker made his announcement today while visiting BCC's factory, 1672 01:55:00,380 --> 01:55:03,975 where he was greeted by an enthusiastic crowd. 1673 01:55:04,540 --> 01:55:08,169 And now sport. Following last night's defeat... 1674 01:55:09,100 --> 01:55:10,453 Well, Minister? 1675 01:55:10,620 --> 01:55:12,338 Well, Humphrey? 1676 01:55:12,500 --> 01:55:15,333 - Do you feel like a hero? - Indeed I do. 1677 01:55:15,500 --> 01:55:19,493 - And Number 10 will be delighted. - One of the worst decisions ever! 1678 01:55:19,660 --> 01:55:22,538 And one of the best political decisions I've made. 1679 01:55:23,500 --> 01:55:26,014 What do you think, Bernard? 1680 01:55:26,180 --> 01:55:27,613 Well... 1681 01:55:27,780 --> 01:55:32,854 bearing everything in mind and after due consideration... 1682 01:55:33,020 --> 01:55:36,217 considering all the implications and points of view... 1683 01:55:36,380 --> 01:55:42,012 well, in other words, in fact, I am bound to say... 1684 01:55:42,180 --> 01:55:45,729 you look awfully good on television, Minister. 1685 01:55:45,900 --> 01:55:49,654 Humphrey, can we manage a CBE for Henderson? 1686 01:55:49,820 --> 01:55:53,733 Certainly not! He's unreliable and lacking in judgement. 1687 01:55:53,900 --> 01:55:57,893 I can't think why he cast doubt on his whole report in that final paragraph. 1688 01:55:58,060 --> 01:56:02,690 I think he has excellent judgement, enormous stature and great charm. 1689 01:56:08,380 --> 01:56:11,019 I thought you said you'd never met him. 1690 01:56:12,060 --> 01:56:14,620 I meant intellectual stature, Humphrey. 1691 01:56:14,780 --> 01:56:16,771 And charm? 1692 01:56:18,140 --> 01:56:20,938 He writes with charm. 1693 01:56:22,060 --> 01:56:23,652 Doesn't he, Bernard? 1694 01:56:23,820 --> 01:56:26,812 Oh, yes, Minister. 1695 01:57:55,075 --> 01:57:57,225 It's absolutely intolerable. 1696 01:57:57,395 --> 01:57:59,625 - Yes, Minister. - Quite so, Minister. 1697 01:57:59,795 --> 01:58:05,267 Each separate department about to order different word-processing equipment, 1698 01:58:05,435 --> 01:58:11,783 and I persuaded them to place one big central order for everyone - 1699 01:58:11,955 --> 01:58:16,824 big enough for UK manufacturers to invest in systems development. 1700 01:58:16,995 --> 01:58:19,384 - Yes, Minister. - I don't have to tell you. 1701 01:58:19,555 --> 01:58:21,034 No, Minister. 1702 01:58:21,195 --> 01:58:25,552 Months of negotiation and we were on the eve of a press announcement: 1703 01:58:25,715 --> 01:58:28,912 "Hacker's massive investment in modern technology." 1704 01:58:29,075 --> 01:58:31,953 "Jim's vote of confidence in British industry." 1705 01:58:32,115 --> 01:58:34,629 "'Britain can make it,' says Jim." 1706 01:58:34,795 --> 01:58:36,353 Quite so. 1707 01:58:36,515 --> 01:58:41,430 And now this directive from Brussels saying all EEC members 1708 01:58:41,595 --> 01:58:45,793 must conform to some niggling European word-processing standards; 1709 01:58:45,955 --> 01:58:50,153 that we have to agree to the plans of committees 1710 01:58:50,315 --> 01:58:54,866 at the forthcoming European Word-Processing Conference in Brussels. 1711 01:58:55,955 --> 01:58:58,230 Well, say something! 1712 01:59:00,195 --> 01:59:02,390 - Yes, Minister. - Quite so. 1713 01:59:03,555 --> 01:59:05,068 Is that all? 1714 01:59:05,235 --> 01:59:10,150 I'm afraid that's the penalty we pay for pretending we're Europeans. 1715 01:59:10,315 --> 01:59:12,783 I fully understand your hostility to Europe. 1716 01:59:12,955 --> 01:59:17,233 I'm not like you, Humphrey. I'm pro-Europe, just anti-Brussels. 1717 01:59:17,395 --> 01:59:20,467 I sometimes think you're anti-Europe and pro-Brussels. 1718 01:59:20,635 --> 01:59:23,229 I'm neither pro- nor anti- anything. 1719 01:59:23,395 --> 01:59:28,185 I'm merely a humble vessel for the fruits of your deliberations. 1720 01:59:28,355 --> 01:59:32,951 It could be argued that given the absurdity of the European idea, 1721 01:59:33,115 --> 01:59:36,551 that Brussels does its best to defend the indefensible 1722 01:59:36,715 --> 01:59:40,833 - and make the unworkable work. - That's not true, Humphrey! 1723 01:59:40,995 --> 01:59:45,273 Without sounding pompous, we must avoid narrow national self-interest. 1724 01:59:45,435 --> 01:59:47,744 - It doesn't sound pompous... - Good. 1725 01:59:47,915 --> 01:59:49,507 Merely inaccurate. 1726 01:59:51,115 --> 01:59:53,390 Listen, humble vessel, 1727 01:59:53,555 --> 01:59:57,389 Europe is a community of nations dedicated towards one goal. 1728 01:59:59,235 --> 02:00:01,146 May we share the joke? 1729 02:00:01,315 --> 02:00:03,624 Minister, let's look at this objectively. 1730 02:00:03,795 --> 02:00:08,550 It's a game played for national interests. Why did we go into it? 1731 02:00:08,715 --> 02:00:11,627 To strengthen the free Western nations. 1732 02:00:11,795 --> 02:00:16,107 We went in to screw the French by splitting them from the Germans. 1733 02:00:16,675 --> 02:00:21,874 - Why did the French go in? - To protect their farmers from competition. 1734 02:00:22,035 --> 02:00:26,187 - And the Germans? - To cleanse themselves of genocide 1735 02:00:26,355 --> 02:00:29,233 and apply for re-admission to the human race. 1736 02:00:29,395 --> 02:00:31,590 I've never heard such cynicism! 1737 02:00:31,755 --> 02:00:34,428 The small nations didn't join for selfish reasons. 1738 02:00:34,595 --> 02:00:37,587 Really? Luxembourg is in it for the perks. 1739 02:00:37,755 --> 02:00:41,543 The EEC capital, all that foreign money pouring in. 1740 02:00:41,715 --> 02:00:43,512 A sensible central location. 1741 02:00:43,675 --> 02:00:47,111 With the administration in Brussels and the Parliament in Strasbourg? 1742 02:00:47,275 --> 02:00:52,508 Minister! It's like having the Commons in Swindon and the Civil Service in Kettering! 1743 02:00:53,315 --> 02:00:58,105 Why do other nations try to get in? Take the Greeks... 1744 02:00:58,275 --> 02:01:04,384 I find it difficult to take the Greeks, open-minded as I am about foreigners. 1745 02:01:05,435 --> 02:01:08,825 They'll want an olive mountain and a retsina lake. 1746 02:01:08,995 --> 02:01:10,792 I don't accept this! 1747 02:01:10,955 --> 02:01:15,187 I'm sorry. I suppose some of your best friends are Greeks? 1748 02:01:15,355 --> 02:01:16,834 (MINISTER) Very droll. 1749 02:01:17,835 --> 02:01:21,032 The problem isn't internationalism but too much bureaucracy. 1750 02:01:21,195 --> 02:01:24,551 The bureaucracy is a consequence of the internationalism. 1751 02:01:24,715 --> 02:01:27,309 Why else is there an English Commissioner, 1752 02:01:27,475 --> 02:01:33,266 a French Director-General below him, an Italian Chef-du-Division and so on? 1753 02:01:33,435 --> 02:01:36,507 - It's like the Tower of Babel. - I agree. 1754 02:01:36,675 --> 02:01:38,950 - Like the United Nations. - I agree. 1755 02:01:39,115 --> 02:01:42,266 If I may interject? You are in fact in agreement. 1756 02:01:42,435 --> 02:01:44,630 (BOTH) No, we're not. 1757 02:01:44,795 --> 02:01:50,552 They say the average Common Market official has the organising ability of the Italians, 1758 02:01:50,715 --> 02:01:54,628 the flexibility of the Germans, the modesty of the French, 1759 02:01:54,795 --> 02:01:58,071 the imagination of the Belgians, the generosity of the Dutch 1760 02:01:58,235 --> 02:02:00,351 and the intelligence of the Irish! 1761 02:02:00,515 --> 02:02:03,473 - It's all a gravy train! - How do you mean? 1762 02:02:03,635 --> 02:02:09,346 They live on champagne and caviar. Chauffer-driven Mercedes, private aeroplanes. 1763 02:02:09,515 --> 02:02:15,147 Every official has his snout in the trough, and most of them their trotters as well! 1764 02:02:15,315 --> 02:02:21,265 Oh, I beg to differ. Brussels is full of hard-working public servants 1765 02:02:21,435 --> 02:02:24,507 enduring exhausting travel and tedious entertainment. 1766 02:02:24,675 --> 02:02:29,191 Working their way through smoked salmon, forcing back all that champagne! 1767 02:02:30,435 --> 02:02:35,463 - You're blaming the wrong people. - What do you mean? 1768 02:02:35,635 --> 02:02:41,824 One of your Cabinet colleagues warned Brussels of your plan for bulk buying, 1769 02:02:41,995 --> 02:02:44,828 which is why the directive appeared so quickly. 1770 02:02:45,155 --> 02:02:50,309 Cabinet colleagues? Don't tell me! Bloody Corbett again! 1771 02:02:51,995 --> 02:02:55,305 When I think of Corbett, I warm to Judas Iscariot! 1772 02:02:56,315 --> 02:03:00,786 Yes, it was the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry. 1773 02:03:00,955 --> 02:03:07,144 Treacherous, disloyal, arrogant, self-opinionated, publicity-seeking creep! 1774 02:03:07,755 --> 02:03:09,825 I'm sorry if that sounds harsh. 1775 02:03:10,635 --> 02:03:15,868 Compared to what his Permanent Secretary says, that's a generous tribute. 1776 02:03:16,595 --> 02:03:19,234 - How did he do it? - Who knows? 1777 02:03:19,395 --> 02:03:21,113 The evening paper, Minister. 1778 02:03:21,275 --> 02:03:25,268 Whenever Corbett comes near me, I feel stabbing pains in the back. 1779 02:03:25,435 --> 02:03:27,824 Why did you give me this, Bernard? 1780 02:03:27,995 --> 02:03:30,065 - Just there. - Oh, yes. 1781 02:03:30,235 --> 02:03:33,466 Good God! Cabinet reshuffle! 1782 02:03:34,395 --> 02:03:38,308 "It's rumoured that the PM will announce important Cabinet changes 1783 02:03:38,475 --> 02:03:40,943 "before the end of the present session." 1784 02:03:41,635 --> 02:03:45,708 Why didn't I know about this? How do they know? Is this true? 1785 02:03:45,875 --> 02:03:50,790 I'm only a humble civil servant, I do not move in such exalted circles 1786 02:03:50,955 --> 02:03:53,230 as Cabinet Ministers and journalists. 1787 02:03:53,395 --> 02:03:55,704 - But is it true? - Yes. 1788 02:03:56,795 --> 02:03:58,831 How do you know? 1789 02:03:58,995 --> 02:04:01,225 I mean, it's true that it's rumoured. 1790 02:04:02,275 --> 02:04:06,871 A Cabinet reshuffle! I've hardly started to do the things that I... we... 1791 02:04:07,035 --> 02:04:09,788 Perhaps you won't be moved, Minister. 1792 02:04:09,955 --> 02:04:14,471 Ah... If I'm not, it means my career isn't moving forward as it should. 1793 02:04:14,635 --> 02:04:17,468 At least it's not moving backwards. 1794 02:04:17,635 --> 02:04:22,106 Backwards? You don't mean...? Good God! But I... 1795 02:04:22,275 --> 02:04:27,554 It's not... I mean, it's... I've been doing all right, haven't I? 1796 02:04:27,715 --> 02:04:30,673 - We've done all right? - You've done all right. 1797 02:04:30,835 --> 02:04:33,508 - We've done all right? - Yes, Minister. 1798 02:04:33,675 --> 02:04:38,703 I may not be the outstanding success of this administration, but I'm not a failure. 1799 02:04:38,875 --> 02:04:43,744 - You've done all right. - I've been quite successful. 1800 02:04:44,635 --> 02:04:49,504 If Martin were moved to the Treasury, I could get the Foreign Office! 1801 02:04:54,235 --> 02:04:55,907 Perhaps you might. 1802 02:04:56,075 --> 02:04:58,384 - You don't sound very certain. - I'm not. 1803 02:04:58,555 --> 02:05:02,434 - What have you heard? - Nothing, it's why I'm not certain. 1804 02:05:02,595 --> 02:05:06,747 - Why does Bob Carver know? - Perhaps he has the PM's ear. 1805 02:05:06,915 --> 02:05:11,306 - He's in the PM's pocket. - Then the PM must have a large ear. 1806 02:05:13,795 --> 02:05:17,504 Right, well... Let's not worry about it any more. 1807 02:05:21,675 --> 02:05:26,305 - We'll say no more about it. - Yes, Minister. I mean, no, Minister. 1808 02:05:26,475 --> 02:05:29,467 There's no point worrying about it, is there? 1809 02:05:32,675 --> 02:05:35,189 - Nothing to worry about, is there? - No, Minister. 1810 02:05:35,355 --> 02:05:38,825 Shall we attend the Brussels conference? We should. 1811 02:05:38,995 --> 02:05:41,190 But if the PM should move Fred...? 1812 02:05:41,355 --> 02:05:43,869 Shall we attend the conference in Brussels? 1813 02:05:44,035 --> 02:05:47,584 - What? - Word-processing. 1814 02:05:47,755 --> 02:05:52,112 Ah! Well, does it take place before or after the reshuffle? 1815 02:05:52,275 --> 02:05:57,065 - Who can say? - Well, no. I've known this happen before. 1816 02:05:57,235 --> 02:06:01,148 One day you're out of your office, the next you're out of office. 1817 02:06:01,315 --> 02:06:03,510 This is no time for an idiotic foreign junket! 1818 02:06:03,675 --> 02:06:07,668 Minister, you mustn't allow the reshuffle to prey on your mind. 1819 02:06:07,835 --> 02:06:10,065 It's not preying on my mind. 1820 02:06:11,075 --> 02:06:14,033 - I'm not thinking any more about it. - Splendid. 1821 02:06:14,195 --> 02:06:18,871 Meet me at 6 o'clock in the House of shuffles... cards... Commons. 1822 02:06:25,035 --> 02:06:27,788 - Good evening, Sir Humphrey. - Good evening, Major. 1823 02:06:30,195 --> 02:06:33,744 Arnold, when will we know about the reshuffle? 1824 02:06:33,915 --> 02:06:35,826 A little while yet. 1825 02:06:35,995 --> 02:06:38,111 Any news yet about my department? 1826 02:06:38,275 --> 02:06:43,986 I'm only Cabinet Secretary, not political correspondent of the New Standard. 1827 02:06:44,995 --> 02:06:47,509 But how does my Minister stand? 1828 02:06:47,675 --> 02:06:50,792 I think the PM feels he's done all right. 1829 02:06:50,955 --> 02:06:54,425 But there's been an interesting development. 1830 02:06:54,595 --> 02:06:57,063 - Mmm? - Mmm. 1831 02:06:57,715 --> 02:06:59,785 Aahh! 1832 02:07:02,195 --> 02:07:03,992 What? 1833 02:07:05,315 --> 02:07:10,435 Brussels have asked if he'd be available for the next commissionership, if he wanted it. 1834 02:07:10,595 --> 02:07:12,904 After all, he's a good European. 1835 02:07:13,075 --> 02:07:15,509 In strict confidence, of course. 1836 02:07:15,675 --> 02:07:17,825 Is he being gently eased out? 1837 02:07:17,995 --> 02:07:19,906 Sir Humphrey, Sir Arnold. 1838 02:07:20,075 --> 02:07:22,384 There you are, Bernard. 1839 02:07:22,555 --> 02:07:25,308 Right. Would you like a coffee, Bernard? 1840 02:07:25,475 --> 02:07:27,943 - Thank you. - Pull up a chair. 1841 02:07:32,035 --> 02:07:35,744 Well, Bernard, how do you feel about having a new Minister? 1842 02:07:35,915 --> 02:07:39,112 - You mean, he's... - No, Sir Humphrey is conjecturing. 1843 02:07:39,275 --> 02:07:42,187 Ah, of course, I'd be very sorry. 1844 02:07:43,995 --> 02:07:47,749 Er... Why? Wouldn't you? 1845 02:07:48,515 --> 02:07:50,107 Of course not! 1846 02:07:50,275 --> 02:07:52,948 - But he's getting a grip on the job. - Exactly! 1847 02:07:53,115 --> 02:07:56,152 Ministers with a grip on the job are a nuisance. 1848 02:07:56,315 --> 02:07:58,875 - They argue. - All Ministers argue. 1849 02:07:59,035 --> 02:08:04,473 If they have a grip on the job, there's a real danger they'll be right. 1850 02:08:05,915 --> 02:08:10,147 One tells them something is impossible and they dig out an old paper 1851 02:08:10,315 --> 02:08:13,546 in which one had said it was easy - very tedious. 1852 02:08:13,715 --> 02:08:18,231 Once they've gone, one can wipe the slate clean and start with a new boy. 1853 02:08:18,395 --> 02:08:22,229 Wonderful things, reshuffles. And Prime Ministers like them too. 1854 02:08:22,395 --> 02:08:25,751 Fresh, decisive, keeps everyone on the hop. 1855 02:08:25,915 --> 02:08:27,826 Only Ministers panic about them. 1856 02:08:28,715 --> 02:08:31,309 Wouldn't it be interesting if Ministers were fixed 1857 02:08:31,475 --> 02:08:33,864 and Permanent Secretaries were shuffled around. 1858 02:08:40,035 --> 02:08:44,108 That, Bernard, would strike at the very heart of the system 1859 02:08:44,275 --> 02:08:47,551 that has made Britain what she is today. 1860 02:08:47,715 --> 02:08:49,626 Power goes with permanence. 1861 02:08:49,795 --> 02:08:53,583 - Impermanence is impotence. - Rotation is castration. 1862 02:08:53,755 --> 02:08:55,746 It's time they all had a little spin. 1863 02:08:56,715 --> 02:08:59,229 Yes, but surely in a democracy... 1864 02:08:59,395 --> 02:09:01,863 Thank you, Bernard, that'll be all. 1865 02:09:02,035 --> 02:09:04,947 - Yes, but I've only... - Thank you, Bernard. 1866 02:09:05,115 --> 02:09:07,310 Yes, thank you, Sir Humphrey. 1867 02:09:07,475 --> 02:09:09,943 Good night, Sir Arnold. 1868 02:09:15,315 --> 02:09:20,435 If your Minister does take Brussels, I wouldn't get out the champagne too soon. 1869 02:09:21,435 --> 02:09:26,225 - What do you mean? - There is talk of his possible successor. 1870 02:09:27,995 --> 02:09:29,314 Who? 1871 02:09:29,475 --> 02:09:32,433 I don't know how to put this, but, well... 1872 02:09:32,595 --> 02:09:34,426 ...Basil Corbett. 1873 02:09:41,035 --> 02:09:43,868 What's the matter, darling? Jim? 1874 02:09:45,315 --> 02:09:47,271 - Jim! - I'm sorry. 1875 02:09:47,435 --> 02:09:50,984 - Something wrong? - No, nothing, really. 1876 02:09:51,155 --> 02:09:52,952 Something is. 1877 02:09:53,115 --> 02:09:55,390 The papers are full of a reshuffle. 1878 02:09:55,555 --> 02:09:57,625 - Are they true? - I don't know. 1879 02:09:57,795 --> 02:10:01,424 - You're in the Cabinet. - We're the last to find out. 1880 02:10:01,595 --> 02:10:03,984 - Can't you ask the PM? - Of course not. 1881 02:10:04,155 --> 02:10:07,591 - Why not? - Well... I just can't. 1882 02:10:07,795 --> 02:10:12,391 - It would look as if I were insecure. - I see. 1883 02:10:12,555 --> 02:10:16,912 I don't know whether it's good or bad news, whether I'm up or down. 1884 02:10:17,075 --> 02:10:18,713 Or round and round. 1885 02:10:18,875 --> 02:10:22,231 I don't know whether I'm a success or failure. 1886 02:10:22,395 --> 02:10:26,513 - What do you think? - I think you've done all right. 1887 02:10:27,155 --> 02:10:29,305 - Is that good enough? - I don't know. 1888 02:10:29,475 --> 02:10:33,024 - I don't know, is it? - I don't know. 1889 02:10:33,195 --> 02:10:37,234 It's difficult to tell. The PM might think I've been too successful. 1890 02:10:37,395 --> 02:10:39,750 You know, a challenge to the leadership. 1891 02:10:39,915 --> 02:10:41,507 You?! 1892 02:10:43,555 --> 02:10:47,230 No, not me, but Martin with my support. 1893 02:10:47,395 --> 02:10:50,467 If the PM is standing by to repel boarders, 1894 02:10:50,635 --> 02:10:53,433 and Martin can't be got rid of safely, 1895 02:10:53,595 --> 02:10:57,588 which he can't as Foreign Secretary, I'm the obvious one for demotion. 1896 02:10:57,755 --> 02:11:00,633 - Isolate Martin. - Where would you be sent? 1897 02:11:00,795 --> 02:11:03,355 There's no shortage of useless non-jobs. 1898 02:11:03,515 --> 02:11:07,588 Lord President, Lord Privy Seal... Minister of Sport... 1899 02:11:09,395 --> 02:11:12,910 ...with special responsibility for droughts and floods. 1900 02:11:13,715 --> 02:11:15,865 Maybe you'll get promotion, darling. 1901 02:11:16,035 --> 02:11:19,027 Maybe... Don't forget there's Basil Corbett. 1902 02:11:19,195 --> 02:11:22,073 - He's out to get me. - To get everyone. 1903 02:11:22,235 --> 02:11:26,148 He's a smooth-tongued, hard-nosed, cold-eyed, two-faced creep. 1904 02:11:26,315 --> 02:11:28,545 Why's he so successful? 1905 02:11:28,715 --> 02:11:30,706 Because he's a smooth-tongued, hard-nosed, 1906 02:11:30,875 --> 02:11:32,786 cold-eyed, two-faced creep. 1907 02:11:32,955 --> 02:11:35,947 - Apart from that? - He looks OK on TV. 1908 02:11:36,115 --> 02:11:38,424 - So do you! - Do I? 1909 02:11:38,595 --> 02:11:41,063 - Yes! - Really mean that? 1910 02:11:41,235 --> 02:11:44,193 - Yes. - What a nice thing to say! 1911 02:11:45,075 --> 02:11:48,033 I've got to elbow Corbett or he'll elbow me. 1912 02:11:48,195 --> 02:11:51,153 Elbows, the most important weapon in a politician's armoury. 1913 02:11:51,315 --> 02:11:56,469 - Other than integrity. - Integrity?! 1914 02:11:57,955 --> 02:11:59,752 (TELEPHONE RINGS) 1915 02:12:02,835 --> 02:12:04,154 Yes? 1916 02:12:04,315 --> 02:12:07,944 Who's speaking? Hold on. It's Gaston Larousse from Brussels. 1917 02:12:08,115 --> 02:12:10,106 From Brussels? 1918 02:12:12,675 --> 02:12:15,712 Bonsoir, Commissionaire... Commissar... 1919 02:12:18,315 --> 02:12:19,634 Si... 1920 02:12:21,195 --> 02:12:23,231 That's very interesting. 1921 02:12:23,395 --> 02:12:26,626 I shall need a little time to think about it. 1922 02:12:26,795 --> 02:12:28,945 I'm very honoured. 1923 02:12:29,115 --> 02:12:34,269 Does Numero Dix know you're talking to me about this? 1924 02:12:35,995 --> 02:12:37,986 Number 10. 1925 02:12:40,435 --> 02:12:42,710 Downing Street. 1926 02:12:43,915 --> 02:12:49,069 I see... Tell you what, give me your home telephone number. 1927 02:12:49,955 --> 02:12:51,593 Yes... 1928 02:12:53,275 --> 02:12:58,747 I'll give you a ring very soon. Thank you very much, goodbye. 1929 02:12:59,915 --> 02:13:01,871 What was that? 1930 02:13:02,035 --> 02:13:04,390 - I don't know. - What do you mean? 1931 02:13:06,235 --> 02:13:11,628 They want my name put forward as one of Britain's commissioners for the EEC. 1932 02:13:14,915 --> 02:13:18,191 - What does it mean? - Living in Brussels. 1933 02:13:18,715 --> 02:13:21,468 No, I mean, what does it mean? 1934 02:13:21,635 --> 02:13:25,867 Number 10 knows, so is it a plot to ease me out? 1935 02:13:26,035 --> 02:13:30,233 Is it just a coincidence? What does it mean? Is it a hint? 1936 02:13:30,395 --> 02:13:33,353 Is the PM giving me a face-saving exit? 1937 02:13:33,515 --> 02:13:36,393 Or was the post coming up anyway? 1938 02:13:36,555 --> 02:13:39,911 It's a great honour... in a way. 1939 02:13:40,075 --> 02:13:42,953 - Is it a good job? - Terrible. 1940 02:13:44,235 --> 02:13:47,545 It's curtains as far as British politics is concerned. 1941 02:13:48,555 --> 02:13:53,185 It's worse than a peerage. Absolute failure, total failure. 1942 02:13:53,755 --> 02:13:57,987 You're reduced to forming a new party if ever you want to get back. 1943 02:13:58,435 --> 02:14:00,744 What does the job involve? 1944 02:14:00,915 --> 02:14:05,545 You're at the heart of that ghastly Brussels bureaucracy, the gravy train. 1945 02:14:05,715 --> 02:14:09,424 50,000 a year salary, 20,000 a year expenses. 1946 02:14:10,155 --> 02:14:14,114 Champagne, lobsters, foreign travel, luxury hotel... 1947 02:14:15,035 --> 02:14:17,071 ...private limousines, private aircraft... 1948 02:14:18,795 --> 02:14:21,150 ...siestas in the afternoon... 1949 02:14:21,875 --> 02:14:24,708 ...long weekends at Knocke-le-Zoute... 1950 02:14:25,675 --> 02:14:29,668 - We should go over and have a look. - Why not? 1951 02:14:29,835 --> 02:14:33,032 Sometimes we deserve a bit of failure. 1952 02:14:36,435 --> 02:14:38,790 Going to be a reshuffle, sir? 1953 02:14:38,955 --> 02:14:42,265 Yes, I suppose you saw that in the Standard. 1954 02:14:42,435 --> 02:14:45,313 - Yes, sir. - So did I, actually. 1955 02:14:45,475 --> 02:14:48,114 I first heard it a couple of weeks ago, sir. 1956 02:14:48,275 --> 02:14:50,231 - Did you? - Yes, sir. 1957 02:14:50,395 --> 02:14:53,910 So did I, really. Where did you hear it? 1958 02:14:54,075 --> 02:14:56,635 - All the drivers knew. - How? 1959 02:14:56,795 --> 02:14:58,945 From the PM's driver. 1960 02:14:59,115 --> 02:15:01,834 - The Cabinet Secretary's driver. - Oh, yes. 1961 02:15:03,155 --> 02:15:06,431 - What else did they hear? - Just the usual. 1962 02:15:06,595 --> 02:15:11,032 Corbett's in line for promotion, PM can't overlook him. 1963 02:15:11,195 --> 02:15:15,825 Apparently, old Fred - the Employment Secretary, sorry, sir - 1964 02:15:15,995 --> 02:15:18,589 he's going to get kicked upstairs. 1965 02:15:18,755 --> 02:15:22,270 - How do they know? - His driver's been re-assigned. 1966 02:15:23,795 --> 02:15:27,071 What's the gossip about me? 1967 02:15:27,235 --> 02:15:29,703 Well, nothing really, sir. 1968 02:15:29,875 --> 02:15:31,433 - Nothing? - No. 1969 02:15:31,595 --> 02:15:34,155 We don't know what to make of that. 1970 02:15:34,315 --> 02:15:38,194 - You'll know, won't you, sir? - Yes, of course. 1971 02:15:38,835 --> 02:15:41,668 Sometimes it's difficult to know about oneself. 1972 02:15:41,835 --> 02:15:45,225 You, know, just how successful... 1973 02:15:47,475 --> 02:15:51,309 What do your mates say... about...? 1974 02:15:51,475 --> 02:15:55,673 They all think you've done all right, sir. 1975 02:15:57,195 --> 02:16:01,711 - I'm in a bit of a quandary. - Can I help, Minister? 1976 02:16:01,875 --> 02:16:04,753 It's this reshuffle that's on the cards. 1977 02:16:05,955 --> 02:16:08,389 That's very witty, Minister! 1978 02:16:11,035 --> 02:16:15,313 I'm sorry, I thought you were making a... Do please carry on. 1979 02:16:16,915 --> 02:16:21,227 To complicate matters, I've been asked to be an EEC Commissioner. 1980 02:16:21,395 --> 02:16:24,512 - Very nice. - Is it nice, Bernard? 1981 02:16:24,675 --> 02:16:28,554 Bernard, tell me, quite frankly... 1982 02:16:29,835 --> 02:16:34,704 ...as Minister here, do you think I've done all right? 1983 02:16:35,715 --> 02:16:37,546 You've done all right. 1984 02:16:38,675 --> 02:16:41,394 Humphrey's blocked me on so many issues. 1985 02:16:41,555 --> 02:16:43,830 He's never really been on my side. 1986 02:16:43,995 --> 02:16:48,352 To be honest, "all right" isn't really good enough, is it? 1987 02:16:49,075 --> 02:16:51,748 Well, it's... all right. 1988 02:16:54,355 --> 02:17:00,305 Have you... er... heard anything... on the grapevine? 1989 02:17:00,835 --> 02:17:02,393 About you? 1990 02:17:02,555 --> 02:17:04,546 Nothing really, Minister, no. 1991 02:17:04,715 --> 02:17:07,946 Only that the British Commissioner in Europe sent a telegram 1992 02:17:08,115 --> 02:17:10,993 to the FCO and the Cabinet Committee on Europe. 1993 02:17:11,155 --> 02:17:14,625 The idea for you to be a Commissioner came from Brussels, 1994 02:17:14,795 --> 02:17:17,593 but it is a Prime Ministerial appointment. 1995 02:17:17,755 --> 02:17:22,306 The PM discussed it with the Foreign Secretary and the Cabinet Secretary 1996 02:17:22,475 --> 02:17:25,672 and cleared the way for you to be sounded out. 1997 02:17:25,835 --> 02:17:29,669 As it's believed at Number 10 and Number 11 that you might accept, 1998 02:17:29,835 --> 02:17:33,828 a colleague has been sounded out about becoming Minister here. 1999 02:17:33,995 --> 02:17:36,270 I'm afraid that's all I know. 2000 02:17:38,675 --> 02:17:40,825 No more than that? 2001 02:17:43,035 --> 02:17:46,345 Which colleague has been sounded out to take my place? 2002 02:17:49,155 --> 02:17:52,784 Bernard, if I were not to go to Europe... 2003 02:17:52,955 --> 02:17:57,824 No, if I did go... No, if I were not to go to Europe, 2004 02:17:57,995 --> 02:18:01,908 would I go up or down? 2005 02:18:04,755 --> 02:18:06,188 (BUZZER) 2006 02:18:06,355 --> 02:18:09,153 Time for your meeting with Sir Humphrey, Minister. 2007 02:18:09,315 --> 02:18:12,034 - Yes, fine. - What's it about? 2008 02:18:12,195 --> 02:18:15,312 The visit to the word-processing conference. 2009 02:18:15,475 --> 02:18:17,830 The word-processing conference? 2010 02:18:17,995 --> 02:18:22,466 Humphrey, you'll be pleased to hear that I've changed my mind, 2011 02:18:22,635 --> 02:18:25,513 I shall be going to Brussels after all. 2012 02:18:25,675 --> 02:18:29,031 You're resigning from the Department?! 2013 02:18:29,195 --> 02:18:32,505 No, I'm talking about this word-processing conference. 2014 02:18:32,675 --> 02:18:35,951 - I see. - I would like to see Brussels. 2015 02:18:36,115 --> 02:18:38,424 - Why? - Why not? 2016 02:18:38,595 --> 02:18:41,109 Why not, indeed, but why? 2017 02:18:41,275 --> 02:18:44,551 - I'm a curious person. - You certainly are. 2018 02:18:44,715 --> 02:18:46,945 I've been a little hasty. 2019 02:18:47,115 --> 02:18:50,187 Your arguments on behalf of Brussels were thoroughly convincing. 2020 02:18:50,355 --> 02:18:53,631 Minister, I've been reflecting on your views, 2021 02:18:53,795 --> 02:18:56,832 and I find wisdom in your criticism of Brussels. 2022 02:18:56,995 --> 02:19:01,386 - You implied it is corrupt and... - No, no, no. 2023 02:19:01,555 --> 02:19:03,750 - Minister, please... - No, Humphrey. 2024 02:19:03,915 --> 02:19:06,349 It is you who have convinced me. 2025 02:19:06,515 --> 02:19:10,667 I'm now convinced that Brussels is full of dedicated men, 2026 02:19:10,835 --> 02:19:15,306 all bearing a heavy burden of travel and entertainment. 2027 02:19:15,475 --> 02:19:17,670 They need all that luxury. 2028 02:19:17,835 --> 02:19:19,791 The odd drinky! 2029 02:19:20,275 --> 02:19:23,472 Caviar and champagne, private planes, air-conditioned Mercedes? 2030 02:19:23,635 --> 02:19:25,626 It oils the diplomatic wheels. 2031 02:19:26,595 --> 02:19:28,631 Snouts in the trough. 2032 02:19:28,795 --> 02:19:33,869 - That's not an attractive phrase. - I'm sorry. I can't think where I picked it up! 2033 02:19:34,035 --> 02:19:37,425 We'll all go to this conference, agreed? 2034 02:19:37,595 --> 02:19:42,430 - Is your change of heart due to my arguments? - Of course. 2035 02:19:42,595 --> 02:19:47,385 It's nothing to do with the rumour of you being offered a post in Brussels? 2036 02:19:48,515 --> 02:19:50,870 That thought is not worthy of you. 2037 02:19:51,035 --> 02:19:54,152 There is such a thing as integrity. 2038 02:19:58,155 --> 02:20:00,111 Oh, yes, thank you. 2039 02:20:03,715 --> 02:20:07,344 Corbett! You can't let someone like Corbett... 2040 02:20:10,715 --> 02:20:14,151 (You simply can't let Corbett loose on the department.) 2041 02:20:14,315 --> 02:20:17,591 (It'd be disastrous. Everything one says to Corbett) 2042 02:20:17,755 --> 02:20:20,269 (appears in the Sun the next morning.) 2043 02:20:21,635 --> 02:20:23,546 Glad to know you read the Sun. 2044 02:20:25,195 --> 02:20:28,153 You must stop it, Arnold, I implore you. 2045 02:20:28,315 --> 02:20:30,271 I'm not the Prime Minister. 2046 02:20:30,435 --> 02:20:32,949 It is really you who arranges the reshuffles. 2047 02:20:33,115 --> 02:20:36,824 No, if there's an appointment the PM is set on, 2048 02:20:36,995 --> 02:20:39,555 the Cabinet Secretary must reluctantly acquiesce. 2049 02:20:40,395 --> 02:20:43,034 You do keep your hand on the tiller. 2050 02:20:44,195 --> 02:20:47,073 If Hacker decides to turn down Brussels, 2051 02:20:47,235 --> 02:20:50,864 it would be easier to keep Corbett away from your department. 2052 02:20:51,035 --> 02:20:53,788 This is the trouble, he'll take Brussels. 2053 02:20:54,995 --> 02:20:56,951 - Oh. - Yes, I know. 2054 02:20:57,115 --> 02:21:00,232 He says he believes in the European ideal. 2055 02:21:00,395 --> 02:21:02,784 Yes, I know, I know. 2056 02:21:03,875 --> 02:21:07,550 Politicians get taken in by their own speeches. 2057 02:21:08,995 --> 02:21:13,910 This is partly your fault. You've blocked Hacker time and again. 2058 02:21:14,395 --> 02:21:18,308 Only in the interests of good government, Arnold. 2059 02:21:18,475 --> 02:21:23,549 Quite. But what you need is for Hacker to have a big success in the next few days. 2060 02:21:23,715 --> 02:21:26,275 - A big success? - Yes. 2061 02:21:26,435 --> 02:21:28,665 The next few days? 2062 02:21:29,875 --> 02:21:34,551 That would give me, give the PM, a good case for keeping him here. 2063 02:21:34,715 --> 02:21:38,469 Then, we might be able to move Corbett to Employment. 2064 02:21:38,995 --> 02:21:41,111 Is Fred definitely going? 2065 02:21:41,275 --> 02:21:43,914 Yes, he keeps falling asleep in Cabinet. 2066 02:21:45,475 --> 02:21:47,511 I thought they all did. 2067 02:21:47,675 --> 02:21:50,633 Yes, but not while they're actually talking. 2068 02:22:02,475 --> 02:22:05,512 - Ah, Humphrey! Any news? - Of what, Minister? 2069 02:22:05,675 --> 02:22:07,666 - The Cabinet reshuffle. - No. 2070 02:22:07,835 --> 02:22:10,429 Didn't you have lunch with the Cabinet Secretary? 2071 02:22:10,595 --> 02:22:12,506 - Yes. - What came up? 2072 02:22:12,675 --> 02:22:14,267 Nothing as yet! 2073 02:22:14,435 --> 02:22:18,428 All I know is the reshuffle will be announced on Monday. 2074 02:22:18,595 --> 02:22:21,155 - Have you any news? - Of what? 2075 02:22:21,675 --> 02:22:23,950 The Commissionship. Are you going to Brussels? 2076 02:22:24,835 --> 02:22:26,666 Well... 2077 02:22:26,835 --> 02:22:31,955 Speaking with my Parliamentary hat on, I don't think it would be a good idea. 2078 02:22:32,115 --> 02:22:36,393 With my Cabinet hat on, it would be a good idea. 2079 02:22:36,555 --> 02:22:41,106 Again, with my party hat on, there could be arguments on both sides. 2080 02:22:41,275 --> 02:22:44,108 Which hat are you talking through now? 2081 02:22:45,235 --> 02:22:50,673 - Have you decided about going to Brussels? - Yes and no. 2082 02:22:50,835 --> 02:22:56,512 - What are the pros and cons, Minister? - I don't know. 2083 02:22:59,115 --> 02:23:01,868 I haven't said this before, 2084 02:23:02,035 --> 02:23:06,984 but it depends on whether I've done all right. What do you think? 2085 02:23:07,155 --> 02:23:09,146 (BOTH) You've done all right. 2086 02:23:09,315 --> 02:23:11,988 If I've done all right, that's all right, 2087 02:23:12,155 --> 02:23:14,430 I shall stay because I'll be all right. 2088 02:23:14,595 --> 02:23:18,713 But if I've only done all right, to stay would be wrong, right? 2089 02:23:18,875 --> 02:23:23,744 Minister, to be on the safe side, you need a big success. 2090 02:23:23,915 --> 02:23:26,145 - Yes. - A triumph, in fact. 2091 02:23:26,315 --> 02:23:30,467 You need some personal publicity for some great political achievement. 2092 02:23:30,635 --> 02:23:34,628 - What have you in mind? - I'm trying to think of something. 2093 02:23:34,795 --> 02:23:38,071 Thank you, that's a great help. What's the purpose? 2094 02:23:38,235 --> 02:23:40,191 Something did come up at lunch. 2095 02:23:40,355 --> 02:23:42,630 Sir Arnold feels that with this triumph, 2096 02:23:42,795 --> 02:23:44,911 the PM couldn't move you downwards, 2097 02:23:45,075 --> 02:23:49,193 and Bernard and I might have the good fortune of you staying on with us. 2098 02:23:49,355 --> 02:23:51,425 So there's no chance of moving up? 2099 02:23:51,595 --> 02:23:53,870 Ooh... 2100 02:23:54,035 --> 02:23:56,230 Sadly, Minister, alas. 2101 02:23:56,395 --> 02:23:59,273 - One must be a realist. - Oh, well. 2102 02:24:00,275 --> 02:24:02,709 That's it, it's got to be Brussels. 2103 02:24:02,875 --> 02:24:06,265 No, wait a minute. I've got an idea. 2104 02:24:06,435 --> 02:24:09,632 Supposing you ignore the EEC. 2105 02:24:09,795 --> 02:24:12,753 Publish your own plans for word-processing machines... 2106 02:24:13,755 --> 02:24:16,827 ...with big orders for British manufacturers... 2107 02:24:17,955 --> 02:24:20,264 ...starting immediately. Tomorrow. 2108 02:24:20,435 --> 02:24:22,471 Certainly before Monday. 2109 02:24:22,635 --> 02:24:25,547 Involving more jobs, more investment. 2110 02:24:25,715 --> 02:24:28,024 - More export orders. - More votes. 2111 02:24:28,195 --> 02:24:30,186 Yes, when the time comes. 2112 02:24:30,355 --> 02:24:33,791 - We can't defy an EEC directive. - It isn't a directive. 2113 02:24:33,955 --> 02:24:37,106 It hasn't been ratified, it's merely a request. 2114 02:24:37,275 --> 02:24:40,347 We can't stab our partners in the back and spit in their face. 2115 02:24:40,515 --> 02:24:44,474 You can't stab anyone in the back while spitting in their face. 2116 02:24:45,275 --> 02:24:47,869 On the other hand, defying Brussels would be... 2117 02:24:48,035 --> 02:24:49,548 Very popular! 2118 02:24:49,715 --> 02:24:51,945 And prove I had elbows. 2119 02:24:52,595 --> 02:24:54,108 What? 2120 02:24:54,275 --> 02:24:56,630 Elbows, elbows! 2121 02:24:56,795 --> 02:24:58,353 - But... - But what? 2122 02:24:58,515 --> 02:25:00,949 I'd have to give up all that... 2123 02:25:01,115 --> 02:25:03,788 - Trough. - Right. 2124 02:25:03,955 --> 02:25:08,267 When it comes down to it, one's own country must come first. 2125 02:25:09,075 --> 02:25:10,713 How true. 2126 02:25:10,875 --> 02:25:14,390 And, although, strictly, this isn't a Government matter, 2127 02:25:14,555 --> 02:25:18,230 I, personally, would be deeply sorry to lose you. 2128 02:25:18,395 --> 02:25:20,784 Really, Humphrey, is that true? 2129 02:25:20,955 --> 02:25:23,344 Yes, I mean that, Minister, most sincerely. 2130 02:25:23,515 --> 02:25:27,349 I suppose we have got fond of one another. 2131 02:25:27,515 --> 02:25:30,029 - In a way. - In a way, yes. 2132 02:25:30,195 --> 02:25:32,550 Like a terrorist and his hostage. 2133 02:25:35,315 --> 02:25:36,953 Which is the terrorist? 2134 02:25:37,115 --> 02:25:39,071 (BOTH) He is! 2135 02:25:40,675 --> 02:25:43,667 Right, OK, Bernard, that's the decision. 2136 02:25:43,835 --> 02:25:45,791 Inform the press! 2137 02:25:45,955 --> 02:25:51,313 Tell me, Humphrey, who would have got my position if I'd gone to Brussels? 2138 02:25:52,355 --> 02:25:54,152 I don't know... 2139 02:25:54,315 --> 02:25:57,546 Didn't you tell me it was Basil Corbett? 2140 02:25:58,675 --> 02:26:00,791 Basil Corbett?! 2141 02:26:01,555 --> 02:26:04,115 I see, Basil Corbett. 2142 02:26:08,635 --> 02:26:10,227 Yes, Minister. 2143 02:27:35,769 --> 02:27:38,408 He's still with the Press Officer, Sir Humphrey. 2144 02:27:38,569 --> 02:27:40,321 Would you like a coffee? 2145 02:27:40,489 --> 02:27:43,162 If the Minister is with the Press Officer, 2146 02:27:43,329 --> 02:27:46,366 we've probably got time for a six-course lunch. 2147 02:27:49,569 --> 02:27:51,525 - Morning, Humphrey. - Desmond! 2148 02:27:51,689 --> 02:27:55,284 He's got somebody with him, but he'll only be a moment. 2149 02:27:55,449 --> 02:27:59,761 - Did you sound him out about...? - Yes, but it doesn't look hopeful. 2150 02:27:59,929 --> 02:28:06,607 All my bank wants is to put six little storeys on the new office block. 2151 02:28:06,769 --> 02:28:09,602 - Read the Financial Times today? - Never do! 2152 02:28:09,769 --> 02:28:12,408 You're a banker, surely you read the Financial Times? 2153 02:28:12,569 --> 02:28:17,085 Can't understand it. Full of economic theory. 2154 02:28:18,089 --> 02:28:22,287 - Why do you buy it? - It's part of the uniform. 2155 02:28:22,769 --> 02:28:25,567 Took me 30 years to understand Keynes' economics. 2156 02:28:25,729 --> 02:28:30,120 I'd just cottoned on when everyone got hooked on monetarist ideas, 2157 02:28:30,289 --> 02:28:33,725 you know, "I Want To Be Free", by Milton Shulman. 2158 02:28:33,889 --> 02:28:37,882 - Milton Friedman? - Why are they all called Milton? 2159 02:28:38,049 --> 02:28:40,722 I've only got as far as Milton Keynes. 2160 02:28:42,249 --> 02:28:44,205 Maynard Keynes? 2161 02:28:44,369 --> 02:28:46,758 I'm sure there's a Milton Keynes. 2162 02:28:46,929 --> 02:28:49,318 Yes, there is, it's... 2163 02:28:51,369 --> 02:28:53,041 Sit down. 2164 02:28:54,049 --> 02:28:56,199 You didn't read about the Minister's speech 2165 02:28:56,369 --> 02:28:58,644 to the Architectural Association last night, 2166 02:28:58,809 --> 02:29:01,767 attacking skyscraper office blocks? 2167 02:29:01,929 --> 02:29:03,362 Ours isn't a skyscraper. 2168 02:29:03,529 --> 02:29:05,884 - How many storeys? - 38. 2169 02:29:06,049 --> 02:29:09,166 44 with the extra six we're asking for. 2170 02:29:10,049 --> 02:29:14,201 He was talking about the maximum tolerable height being eight. 2171 02:29:14,369 --> 02:29:17,486 Surely you can talk him out of it? 2172 02:29:17,649 --> 02:29:21,642 Work him upwards? 8, 12, 18... 2173 02:29:21,809 --> 02:29:23,925 That's your job - talking him out of things. 2174 02:29:24,089 --> 02:29:29,117 Don't forget, there's a promise to prevent any more high-rise buildings 2175 02:29:29,289 --> 02:29:31,644 in the environment section of the manifesto. 2176 02:29:31,809 --> 02:29:34,721 - Does that scupper it? - Not necessarily. 2177 02:29:34,889 --> 02:29:42,159 There's an implicit pact offered to every Minister by his senior officials. 2178 02:29:42,729 --> 02:29:47,041 If the Minister implements the opposite policy to the one he's pledged to, 2179 02:29:47,209 --> 02:29:49,245 which, once in office, he will see is incorrect, 2180 02:29:49,409 --> 02:29:53,368 we'll help him to pretend he's following his manifesto. 2181 02:29:55,569 --> 02:29:58,845 - That's a very reasonable offer. - It sounds reasonable. 2182 02:29:59,009 --> 02:30:05,323 Unfortunately, among the many extraordinary qualities politicians possess, 2183 02:30:05,489 --> 02:30:09,448 reasonableness isn't the first that springs to mind. 2184 02:30:10,569 --> 02:30:13,242 Not when one contemplates the average Minister. 2185 02:30:13,409 --> 02:30:16,128 And our Minister is very average. 2186 02:30:18,049 --> 02:30:20,279 But we need those extra floors. 2187 02:30:20,449 --> 02:30:23,441 And if you're joining the board when you retire, 2188 02:30:23,609 --> 02:30:26,567 it'll be tricky if there's no office to put you in. 2189 02:30:26,729 --> 02:30:30,005 Entertaining your visitors in a Portakabin in the car park? 2190 02:30:30,769 --> 02:30:35,638 I'm not saying you won't get permission, just not today. Be patient. 2191 02:30:35,809 --> 02:30:38,642 Surely if a Minister's made a decision, that's it? 2192 02:30:38,809 --> 02:30:43,200 - What gave you that idea? - Surely a decision's a decision? 2193 02:30:43,369 --> 02:30:45,963 Only if it's the decision you want. 2194 02:30:46,969 --> 02:30:50,200 If not, it's just a temporary setback. 2195 02:30:50,369 --> 02:30:52,758 Ministers are like small children: 2196 02:30:52,929 --> 02:30:57,127 They want something desperately and next day forget they asked for it. 2197 02:30:57,289 --> 02:31:02,283 - He is a Minister of the Crown. - You know why he's called that? 2198 02:31:02,449 --> 02:31:05,725 He's always talking off the top of his head... 2199 02:31:05,889 --> 02:31:07,720 or through the back of it! 2200 02:31:07,889 --> 02:31:11,848 - You won't accept his decision? - No, no, no. 2201 02:31:12,009 --> 02:31:15,558 I start by accepting it and supporting it enthusiastically, 2202 02:31:15,729 --> 02:31:18,721 then I tell him to leave it to me. 2203 02:31:19,849 --> 02:31:22,966 (SIR DESMOND) Humphrey, the architect fellow. 2204 02:31:23,129 --> 02:31:26,041 Morning, Crawford. The Minister won't keep a moment. 2205 02:31:26,209 --> 02:31:28,484 So, what's going to happen? 2206 02:31:28,649 --> 02:31:33,677 I'll have a minute with him first, but don't expect too much this morning. 2207 02:31:33,849 --> 02:31:38,400 Think of it as a child's tantrum over a rice pudding. 2208 02:31:38,569 --> 02:31:41,879 Won't touch it today and yet wants two helpings tomorrow. 2209 02:31:42,049 --> 02:31:44,199 Ah, rice pudding... good. 2210 02:31:44,369 --> 02:31:46,519 I always liked rice pudding. 2211 02:31:48,529 --> 02:31:50,406 Minister, it's really excellent. 2212 02:31:50,569 --> 02:31:53,288 "Hacker speaks out against tower blocks." 2213 02:31:53,449 --> 02:31:55,917 "Minister's courageous stand on high buildings." 2214 02:31:56,089 --> 02:31:57,886 I sound like a steeplejack. 2215 02:31:58,049 --> 02:32:03,282 What about the popular press? How do I get into the mass circulation dailies? 2216 02:32:03,449 --> 02:32:08,125 - What about a photograph? - The papers like a photo of a pretty girl. 2217 02:32:08,289 --> 02:32:10,678 I don't quite qualify on that score. 2218 02:32:12,329 --> 02:32:16,208 Judge a beauty contest - a photo of you kissing the winner. 2219 02:32:16,369 --> 02:32:22,319 If my picture's in the papers, people should look at me, not some pretty girl. 2220 02:32:22,489 --> 02:32:25,401 Otherwise, something with cuddly animals or small children, 2221 02:32:25,569 --> 02:32:28,083 like this afternoon's visit to the city farm. 2222 02:32:28,249 --> 02:32:30,888 Is everything laid on - Mail, Mirror, Express? 2223 02:32:31,049 --> 02:32:34,121 - And the Sun, Today and Nationwide. - Nationwide? 2224 02:32:34,289 --> 02:32:37,122 - Will I be on telly? - With any luck. 2225 02:32:37,289 --> 02:32:40,998 - Well done! - You are a Minister of the Crown, sir. 2226 02:32:41,169 --> 02:32:44,206 There's some baby donkeys laid on to be photographed with. 2227 02:32:45,489 --> 02:32:47,400 - Donkeys? - Yes, sir. 2228 02:32:48,969 --> 02:32:54,089 The Sun specifically asked if you could be photographed amongst the donkeys. 2229 02:32:54,649 --> 02:32:56,321 What do you think, Bernard? 2230 02:32:56,489 --> 02:33:01,040 Even if the Sun has no ulterior motive, it'll be a gift for Private Eye. 2231 02:33:03,849 --> 02:33:07,125 You with a crowd of other donkeys. 2232 02:33:07,289 --> 02:33:12,238 That's what they would say. Or a meeting of the Inner Cabinet. 2233 02:33:13,809 --> 02:33:16,084 What are you here for, Bernard? 2234 02:33:16,249 --> 02:33:19,161 - Sir Humphrey's here. - Very well. 2235 02:33:19,329 --> 02:33:21,240 There's also some little pigs. 2236 02:33:21,649 --> 02:33:25,324 I don't think that's a great improvement. 2237 02:33:25,489 --> 02:33:28,720 Snouts in the trough jokes - pull yourself together! 2238 02:33:28,889 --> 02:33:32,404 I will consent to be photographed with a lamb, that's all. 2239 02:33:32,569 --> 02:33:34,719 - Ah, Humphrey. - Good morning. 2240 02:33:34,889 --> 02:33:37,323 Sir Desmond Glazebrook is outside. 2241 02:33:37,489 --> 02:33:40,481 Glazebrook? That old fool who makes anti-Government speeches? 2242 02:33:40,649 --> 02:33:43,959 Yes, and you appointed him chairman of the co-partnership commission. 2243 02:33:45,209 --> 02:33:46,847 What's he want? 2244 02:33:47,009 --> 02:33:50,126 He wants to talk about his forthcoming application 2245 02:33:50,289 --> 02:33:53,247 to put more storeys on his bank's office block. 2246 02:33:53,409 --> 02:33:56,560 That's just the thing we must stop, Humphrey. 2247 02:33:56,729 --> 02:33:59,607 Somebody has to speak out about the environment, 2248 02:33:59,769 --> 02:34:01,680 take a stand on high buildings. 2249 02:34:01,849 --> 02:34:04,204 That would make a good press photograph. 2250 02:34:05,209 --> 02:34:06,801 (SIR HUMPHREY) Thank you, Bernard. 2251 02:34:06,969 --> 02:34:10,041 It's up to you, but he does have a good case. 2252 02:34:10,209 --> 02:34:12,848 Have you read the background papers? 2253 02:34:13,009 --> 02:34:15,364 Yes, of course. Remind me. 2254 02:34:17,129 --> 02:34:21,839 The bank points out that there are already several tower blocks nearby, 2255 02:34:22,009 --> 02:34:25,638 and it is the international division of the bank, expanding rapidly. 2256 02:34:25,809 --> 02:34:29,722 It needs a central location. It would bring in revenue for the city. 2257 02:34:29,889 --> 02:34:33,643 Typical! Money, money, money. What about beauty, Humphrey? 2258 02:34:33,809 --> 02:34:36,198 Indeed, Minister, beauty. 2259 02:34:36,369 --> 02:34:38,246 Make a note of that, Bernard. 2260 02:34:38,409 --> 02:34:40,639 What about our children? And their children? 2261 02:34:40,809 --> 02:34:43,767 Exactly, Minister, "Children's children", Bernard. 2262 02:34:43,929 --> 02:34:46,762 Who are you serving? God or Mammon? 2263 02:34:46,929 --> 02:34:49,489 I'm serving you, Minister. 2264 02:34:49,649 --> 02:34:52,447 In that case, Humphrey, show Sir Desmond in. 2265 02:34:54,409 --> 02:34:57,958 Glazebrook! I'll give him high-rise buildings... 2266 02:34:58,849 --> 02:35:03,286 Sir Desmond, how nice to see you! What can I do for you? 2267 02:35:03,449 --> 02:35:06,043 It's these extra storeys, six of them. 2268 02:35:06,209 --> 02:35:10,521 We'll make a formal application later, but any guidance you can give us...? 2269 02:35:10,689 --> 02:35:14,204 I warn you that I have misgivings about tower blocks. 2270 02:35:14,369 --> 02:35:18,362 This is how we make profits. Six extra storeys and we clean up. 2271 02:35:18,529 --> 02:35:21,760 Without them, we'll only make a measly 28% on the project. 2272 02:35:21,929 --> 02:35:25,638 - It's just profits, is it? - Not "Just profits", it's profits! 2273 02:35:25,809 --> 02:35:29,518 - Don't you think of anything but money? - No, why? 2274 02:35:29,689 --> 02:35:33,602 - What about beauty? - It's a building, not an oil painting. 2275 02:35:33,769 --> 02:35:38,889 - And the environment? - We'll make sure it's part of the environment. 2276 02:35:39,049 --> 02:35:42,246 It's bound to be, once it's there. 2277 02:35:43,249 --> 02:35:46,798 - I'm sorry, Sir Desmond... - There's one thing, Minister. 2278 02:35:46,969 --> 02:35:51,804 As you know, similar permission was given to Chartered of New York, 2279 02:35:51,969 --> 02:35:54,119 so to refuse a British bank... 2280 02:35:54,289 --> 02:35:56,519 Exactly! So it's all right? 2281 02:35:56,689 --> 02:35:59,601 Er... well... no. No, it isn't. 2282 02:35:59,769 --> 02:36:04,047 - Why not, damn it? - It-it-it's not necessarily... 2283 02:36:04,209 --> 02:36:08,805 The Minister is concerned that another tall building will clutter the skyline. 2284 02:36:08,969 --> 02:36:11,199 That's right, it would clutter the skyline. 2285 02:36:11,369 --> 02:36:17,285 He's also worried that more workers in the area would strain the transport system. 2286 02:36:17,449 --> 02:36:19,565 I'm worried about public transport. 2287 02:36:19,729 --> 02:36:22,641 Furthermore, he points out that it will overshadow 2288 02:36:22,809 --> 02:36:26,199 the playground of the St Joseph's Primary School. 2289 02:36:26,369 --> 02:36:30,521 It would overlook private gardens, which would be an intrusion of privacy. 2290 02:36:30,689 --> 02:36:33,283 Privacy! Pollution! 2291 02:36:33,449 --> 02:36:37,920 Furthermore, the Minister points out, most astutely, if I may say, 2292 02:36:38,089 --> 02:36:41,968 that the bank owns a vacant site close by 2293 02:36:42,129 --> 02:36:44,518 which would accommodate your expansion needs. 2294 02:36:44,689 --> 02:36:46,839 - Where? - There. 2295 02:36:47,009 --> 02:36:49,728 That's the river, isn't it? 2296 02:36:49,889 --> 02:36:52,722 The Minister was referring to this site. 2297 02:36:53,489 --> 02:36:56,367 - Is that ours? - It is, Sir Desmond. 2298 02:36:56,529 --> 02:36:59,202 - What's it for? - It's scheduled for phase three. 2299 02:36:59,369 --> 02:37:03,487 That's scheduled for phase three. Anyway, it's 400 yards away. 2300 02:37:03,649 --> 02:37:07,164 Difficult for the board to walk 400 yards to lunch... 2301 02:37:07,329 --> 02:37:10,366 ...and impossible to walk back afterwards. 2302 02:37:10,529 --> 02:37:16,843 Put in your formal application by all means, but that will be my decision. 2303 02:37:17,889 --> 02:37:21,245 Minister, suppose we designed a different rice pudding? 2304 02:37:23,769 --> 02:37:25,122 - What? - What? 2305 02:37:25,289 --> 02:37:30,886 - Rice pudding? - Bankers' jargon for high-rise buildings. 2306 02:37:32,289 --> 02:37:34,086 Is it? 2307 02:37:34,729 --> 02:37:37,766 Bernard, show Sir Desmond out. 2308 02:37:37,929 --> 02:37:39,760 Bye, Sir Desmond. 2309 02:37:39,929 --> 02:37:41,726 Oh, yes. Right. 2310 02:37:44,529 --> 02:37:47,646 Thank you, your reminders were very helpful. 2311 02:37:47,809 --> 02:37:50,323 - A pleasure. - Real teamwork, what? 2312 02:37:50,489 --> 02:37:54,607 - Especially as Glazebrook is your chum. - We're very old friends. 2313 02:37:54,769 --> 02:37:59,445 But it is as naught compared to a civil servant's duty to his Minister. 2314 02:38:00,369 --> 02:38:03,441 - Humphrey, do you mean that? - Of course, Minister! 2315 02:38:04,449 --> 02:38:07,327 - How very nice. - Thank you. 2316 02:38:07,489 --> 02:38:10,959 - It's after half past. - I've got to dash. 2317 02:38:11,129 --> 02:38:13,518 - Urgent appointment? - Very urgent. 2318 02:38:13,689 --> 02:38:16,487 - Cabinet committee? - That sort of thing. 2319 02:38:17,489 --> 02:38:21,402 Could you sign this? It's extremely urgent. 2320 02:38:21,569 --> 02:38:23,525 Do I have to? I'm late already. 2321 02:38:23,689 --> 02:38:27,682 It's an administrative order to formalise Government powers 2322 02:38:27,849 --> 02:38:31,683 for the utilisation of unused local authority land until development commences, 2323 02:38:31,849 --> 02:38:34,044 then it reverts to the authority. 2324 02:38:34,209 --> 02:38:37,519 Do I have to sign now? Why hasn't it been before the House? 2325 02:38:38,049 --> 02:38:42,679 If it were a statutory instrument, it would have to go before the House, 2326 02:38:42,849 --> 02:38:48,242 but it's an administrative order, under section seven of the Environment Act, 2327 02:38:48,409 --> 02:38:53,927 which is an enabling section, empowering the Minister to make regulations 2328 02:38:54,089 --> 02:38:58,605 regarding unused local authority land as necessary from time to time 2329 02:38:58,769 --> 02:39:02,523 within the framework of the Act, as I'm sure you recollect. 2330 02:39:02,689 --> 02:39:05,283 Why doesn't it go before the House? 2331 02:39:06,489 --> 02:39:11,165 If it were a statutory instrument, it would have to go before the House, 2332 02:39:11,329 --> 02:39:14,924 but because it is an administrative order under section seven of the... 2333 02:39:15,089 --> 02:39:17,728 All right, Humphrey, I have signed it! 2334 02:39:19,369 --> 02:39:21,041 Why was that so urgent? 2335 02:39:23,529 --> 02:39:26,646 - It wasn't. - But you said it was. 2336 02:39:26,809 --> 02:39:29,084 It wasn't urgent, but it was important. 2337 02:39:29,249 --> 02:39:33,208 Any document transferring decision-making power from Ministers to us is important. 2338 02:39:33,369 --> 02:39:36,167 - Why? - Oh, Bernard...! 2339 02:39:36,329 --> 02:39:39,878 Don't be obtuse, please. 2340 02:39:40,049 --> 02:39:45,601 It helps take Government out of politics. It's Britain's only chance of survival. 2341 02:39:45,769 --> 02:39:49,045 Couldn't it have waited until he wasn't in a hurry? 2342 02:39:49,209 --> 02:39:53,327 When we want Ministers to sign something without asking questions, 2343 02:39:53,489 --> 02:39:58,358 we wait until they're in a hurry and their concentration is weakest. 2344 02:39:58,529 --> 02:40:02,238 That's why we keep them on the go. 2345 02:40:02,409 --> 02:40:07,119 Bernard, where was the Minister rushing off to so secretively? 2346 02:40:07,289 --> 02:40:09,723 A school children's city farm in Tower Hamlets. 2347 02:40:09,889 --> 02:40:14,087 My God! The things that man will do for publicity. 2348 02:40:14,249 --> 02:40:18,037 Is he going as a visitor or as an exhibit? 2349 02:40:19,169 --> 02:40:20,966 Very droll, Sir Humphrey. 2350 02:40:21,129 --> 02:40:22,721 What? 2351 02:40:35,609 --> 02:40:39,682 Mrs Philips? I'm Bill Pritchard, the Minister's Press Officer. 2352 02:40:39,849 --> 02:40:43,239 This is Mrs Philips, the warden of the park. 2353 02:40:43,409 --> 02:40:44,967 How do you do? 2354 02:40:45,129 --> 02:40:49,441 BBC TV. We didn't get your arrival, could we have it again? 2355 02:40:49,609 --> 02:40:52,487 - Sorry? - Could you arrive again? 2356 02:40:52,649 --> 02:40:55,800 How can he arrive again? He's already here. 2357 02:40:55,969 --> 02:40:57,846 - For the cameras. - Do you mind? 2358 02:40:58,009 --> 02:40:59,681 Mind what? 2359 02:41:01,489 --> 02:41:03,480 Let's see you arriving. 2360 02:41:09,409 --> 02:41:11,684 Does this often happen? 2361 02:41:14,849 --> 02:41:17,807 Turn over... Action! 2362 02:41:17,969 --> 02:41:20,164 Wave, everybody! 2363 02:41:28,689 --> 02:41:31,249 - Welcome, Minister. - It's a great pleasure. 2364 02:41:31,409 --> 02:41:35,561 I'm glad you've come. We tried other celebrities but nobody could come. 2365 02:41:36,969 --> 02:41:38,482 - Cut. - What? 2366 02:41:38,649 --> 02:41:40,719 - Cut, cut, cut! - Cut. 2367 02:41:42,649 --> 02:41:45,561 - We'll cut that out, right? - Yes, but... 2368 02:41:45,729 --> 02:41:47,606 Not but, cut! 2369 02:41:48,969 --> 02:41:51,642 May I introduce you to His Worship, the Mayor? 2370 02:41:54,129 --> 02:41:56,404 Licence fees are coming up again. 2371 02:42:13,169 --> 02:42:16,161 Now, tell me all about this. 2372 02:42:16,809 --> 02:42:18,765 This is a piglet. 2373 02:42:20,009 --> 02:42:22,079 No, tell me about this city farm. 2374 02:42:22,249 --> 02:42:25,798 There are over 50 city farms 2375 02:42:25,969 --> 02:42:30,963 built in urban wasteland to give children who seldom see the countryside 2376 02:42:31,129 --> 02:42:34,166 a chance to understand livestock and food production. 2377 02:42:34,329 --> 02:42:38,083 What a wonderful idea! And this is your first anniversary? 2378 02:42:38,249 --> 02:42:40,524 - Yes. - Congratulations. 2379 02:42:40,689 --> 02:42:43,726 Could we have a shot congratulating Mrs Philips for the television? 2380 02:42:43,889 --> 02:42:46,722 Certainly, by all means. 2381 02:42:46,889 --> 02:42:49,449 Everyone's a ham! Sorry. 2382 02:42:53,889 --> 02:42:57,723 So this is your first anniversary here? Good. 2383 02:42:57,889 --> 02:43:00,528 Congratulations. Well done. 2384 02:43:00,689 --> 02:43:03,408 Jolly good show. Very good. 2385 02:43:03,569 --> 02:43:05,366 Got enough now? 2386 02:43:06,369 --> 02:43:11,318 If we may hurry you, make your speech first, and then meet the staff. 2387 02:43:11,489 --> 02:43:13,957 I'd like to do the interview with some of those. 2388 02:43:14,129 --> 02:43:16,927 - Staff? - No, the children and animals. 2389 02:43:17,369 --> 02:43:19,485 Is this working? 2390 02:43:19,649 --> 02:43:22,243 - Got my speech? - I gave it to you. 2391 02:43:22,409 --> 02:43:24,798 No, you've got it. 2392 02:43:28,569 --> 02:43:32,767 It gives me pleasure to welcome Mr James Hacker, 2393 02:43:32,929 --> 02:43:37,525 the Minister for Administrative Affairs, who has found time in his busy schedule 2394 02:43:37,689 --> 02:43:40,726 to be with us today to celebrate our first anniversary. 2395 02:43:40,889 --> 02:43:42,800 Thank you. 2396 02:43:43,649 --> 02:43:48,848 Thank you. It's a great pleasure to be here with you all today. 2397 02:43:49,009 --> 02:43:51,887 You know, things are changing fast. 2398 02:43:52,049 --> 02:43:54,483 We live in a world of change. 2399 02:43:54,649 --> 02:43:57,368 The silicon chip is changing our lives. 2400 02:43:57,529 --> 02:44:00,646 Quality of life is becoming more and more important. 2401 02:44:00,809 --> 02:44:05,200 Environment, conservation, problems of pollution, the future of our children, 2402 02:44:05,369 --> 02:44:09,408 and our children's children. These are today's issues. 2403 02:44:09,569 --> 02:44:15,007 There is, quite rightly, increasing concern about high-rise buildings. 2404 02:44:15,169 --> 02:44:20,118 I'm happy to reassure you, members of the Architectural Association... 2405 02:44:23,729 --> 02:44:25,401 I'm so sorry. 2406 02:44:25,969 --> 02:44:27,402 It's yesterday's speech. 2407 02:44:27,569 --> 02:44:30,447 It's the one I have, look in your pocket. 2408 02:44:34,529 --> 02:44:36,565 So sorry! 2409 02:44:36,729 --> 02:44:39,402 I made a speech yesterday and... 2410 02:44:41,409 --> 02:44:45,368 It's a great pleasure to be here at the city farm today. 2411 02:44:46,409 --> 02:44:48,559 You know, things are changing fast. 2412 02:44:50,009 --> 02:44:52,398 We live in a world of change. 2413 02:44:52,569 --> 02:44:56,482 The silicon chip... is changing our lives. 2414 02:44:56,649 --> 02:44:59,561 (MUMBLES) Quality of life is more important... 2415 02:44:59,729 --> 02:45:03,199 (MUMBLES) Pollution... future of our children's children... 2416 02:45:03,369 --> 02:45:06,645 These are the issues... The city farm movement 2417 02:45:06,809 --> 02:45:11,360 is a welcome and important addition to the way of life for children in cities. 2418 02:45:11,529 --> 02:45:16,842 We feel they play an vital part in children's educational and social life. 2419 02:45:17,009 --> 02:45:20,797 We shall do all we can to help this movement flourish. 2420 02:45:22,489 --> 02:45:24,400 Happy birthday. 2421 02:45:26,569 --> 02:45:29,481 Sue Lawley's arrived, can we do the interview now? 2422 02:45:29,649 --> 02:45:33,039 Yes, set it up with the most attractive children and animals. 2423 02:45:33,209 --> 02:45:38,158 Thank you for saying that, Minister. Can we really rely on your support? 2424 02:45:38,329 --> 02:45:40,001 Of course you can. 2425 02:45:40,169 --> 02:45:43,445 Our lease is running out and we have to get it extended. 2426 02:45:43,609 --> 02:45:49,320 I can't really influence it, but I'll try to help this movement to flourish. 2427 02:45:49,489 --> 02:45:53,482 Would you do the interview now? This is Sue Lawley of Nationwide. 2428 02:45:53,649 --> 02:45:59,246 Sue Lawley, what a great pleasure. I do believe I'm probably your greatest fan! 2429 02:46:00,689 --> 02:46:07,162 Sorry to butt in, but could the children and staff get autographs? 2430 02:46:07,329 --> 02:46:09,160 Autographs? Certainly. 2431 02:46:15,809 --> 02:46:18,721 Come on, that's enough. 2432 02:46:22,849 --> 02:46:24,885 What did you want to say? 2433 02:46:25,049 --> 02:46:29,600 I'll ask some questions of the warden and then come to you for comments. 2434 02:46:29,769 --> 02:46:33,159 - Where would you like us to be? - Here. 2435 02:46:33,329 --> 02:46:36,958 - Perhaps with animals and children? - Yes, splendid! 2436 02:46:39,369 --> 02:46:42,759 Put this sweet little girl on your knee, Mr Hacker. 2437 02:46:50,569 --> 02:46:53,288 All right, let's get on with it. 2438 02:46:53,449 --> 02:46:55,679 Turn over! We're running, Sue. 2439 02:46:55,849 --> 02:47:00,877 Warden, I understand the lease of this wonderful city farm will run out. 2440 02:47:01,049 --> 02:47:03,847 Yes, we've been worried about this. 2441 02:47:04,009 --> 02:47:07,160 But I've just had a word with Mr Hacker, 2442 02:47:07,329 --> 02:47:12,403 and he has indicated that he will ensure that this farm can carry on. 2443 02:47:13,569 --> 02:47:17,039 Minister, how will you ensure this farm keeps running? 2444 02:47:17,209 --> 02:47:21,646 Er... well... you see... Sue... 2445 02:47:21,809 --> 02:47:25,518 The fact is, and let me make this clear... 2446 02:47:27,249 --> 02:47:30,002 Quality of life is becoming more important, 2447 02:47:30,169 --> 02:47:34,879 the environment, conservation, problems of pollution... 2448 02:47:35,049 --> 02:47:37,438 The future of our children... 2449 02:47:39,129 --> 02:47:41,768 and our children's children. These are today's issues. 2450 02:47:41,929 --> 02:47:44,238 Minister, thank you. 2451 02:47:50,609 --> 02:47:55,637 I saw your chap on the television last night cuddling a rabbit. 2452 02:47:55,809 --> 02:47:59,006 St Francis of Tower Hamlets. 2453 02:47:59,169 --> 02:48:01,603 What was it in aid of? 2454 02:48:01,769 --> 02:48:04,203 After the rodent vote, I imagine. 2455 02:48:04,369 --> 02:48:06,883 Quite a good idea, those city farms. 2456 02:48:07,049 --> 02:48:09,927 Are you still worried about parking at Tower House? 2457 02:48:10,089 --> 02:48:14,719 Desperately! It's the major blockage to recruiting Inland Revenue inspectors. 2458 02:48:14,889 --> 02:48:21,522 There's a 1¹/2 acre local authority site nearby with the lease running out. 2459 02:48:21,689 --> 02:48:25,477 - But we haven't the authority. - You have now. 2460 02:48:25,649 --> 02:48:30,165 - You mean an order under Section 7?! - Signed yesterday. 2461 02:48:30,329 --> 02:48:34,880 Humphrey! How did you manage it? 2462 02:48:36,489 --> 02:48:40,277 - What's the site used for now? - Nothing of any significance. 2463 02:48:40,449 --> 02:48:43,247 A city farm for school children. 2464 02:48:43,409 --> 02:48:46,048 Like the one St Francis was visiting? 2465 02:48:46,209 --> 02:48:49,087 Not the one? 2466 02:48:49,249 --> 02:48:52,446 I've always said those things are a bad idea. 2467 02:48:52,609 --> 02:48:55,760 Unhygienic and a danger to public health. 2468 02:48:55,929 --> 02:49:01,162 It might be good to move quickly, before the lease were renewed. 2469 02:49:01,329 --> 02:49:05,004 Surely. Won't it put your Minister in a spot? 2470 02:49:05,969 --> 02:49:11,487 - I'm sure I'll find him a way out. - I'm sure you will. Coffee? 2471 02:49:11,649 --> 02:49:15,244 No, thanks, I must be getting back to Assisi. 2472 02:49:17,249 --> 02:49:20,002 - Thank you for lunch. - Not at all. 2473 02:49:20,169 --> 02:49:22,967 - Enjoy your trip. - Bless you. 2474 02:49:29,329 --> 02:49:31,285 Desmond? 2475 02:49:36,049 --> 02:49:38,005 It's you, Humphrey. 2476 02:49:44,009 --> 02:49:48,799 I think I know how to get the Minister to eat his rice pudding. 2477 02:49:53,889 --> 02:49:56,244 Evening paper, Minister. 2478 02:49:58,809 --> 02:50:02,199 - Centre page. - I say! 2479 02:50:02,369 --> 02:50:05,566 Double-page spread, what about that! 2480 02:50:05,729 --> 02:50:09,005 "The St Francis of Tower Hamlets." 2481 02:50:09,169 --> 02:50:13,526 There's a picture of me with ducks. Another with a small girl. 2482 02:50:13,689 --> 02:50:18,968 A black... ethnic... multi... you know, one of... What good publicity! 2483 02:50:20,369 --> 02:50:23,122 Are there any more city farms to visit? 2484 02:50:23,289 --> 02:50:25,849 Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow. 2485 02:50:26,009 --> 02:50:29,684 The marginal, I mean, the special development areas. 2486 02:50:29,849 --> 02:50:32,568 Bernard, how about this double-page spread? 2487 02:50:32,729 --> 02:50:35,687 Top of the Mirror, Nationwide last night. 2488 02:50:35,849 --> 02:50:38,409 You're very quiet, what's the matter? 2489 02:50:38,569 --> 02:50:42,562 Mrs Philips, Minister, the warden of the city farm you visited yesterday. 2490 02:50:42,729 --> 02:50:45,402 Is she pleased with the publicity? 2491 02:50:45,569 --> 02:50:48,242 - She doesn't seem pleased. - Why not? 2492 02:50:48,409 --> 02:50:51,765 - The farm's being closed. - Closed?! 2493 02:50:51,929 --> 02:50:56,081 It's being turned into a car park for Inland Revenue inspectors. 2494 02:50:57,849 --> 02:51:00,488 My God, what will they say about this? 2495 02:51:00,649 --> 02:51:03,527 "Children and animals evicted by taxman." 2496 02:51:03,689 --> 02:51:06,249 "Minister goes back on TV pledge." 2497 02:51:06,409 --> 02:51:09,958 Heavens! This must be stopped. Do something! 2498 02:51:10,129 --> 02:51:12,802 - What idiot authorised that? - You did. 2499 02:51:12,969 --> 02:51:14,368 What? 2500 02:51:14,529 --> 02:51:19,125 The order you signed yesterday giving Government power over local authority land. 2501 02:51:19,289 --> 02:51:21,484 - Section 7, subsection 3. - Get Humphrey. 2502 02:51:21,649 --> 02:51:24,925 He's on his way and Mrs Philips is in the private office. 2503 02:51:25,089 --> 02:51:29,321 She's that last person I want to see. This is the greatest disaster this century. 2504 02:51:29,489 --> 02:51:31,559 There were two world wars. 2505 02:51:31,729 --> 02:51:34,766 Fighting on the beaches is one thing, evicting animals and children 2506 02:51:34,929 --> 02:51:37,045 for tax inspectors' cars is another. Ah, Humphrey! 2507 02:51:38,329 --> 02:51:42,208 Minister, I saw you on television last night. What a treat! 2508 02:51:42,369 --> 02:51:45,202 Never mind that, what about the city farm being closed? 2509 02:51:45,369 --> 02:51:48,361 - The Treasury... - It's got to be stopped! 2510 02:51:48,529 --> 02:51:52,238 Unfortunately, it's a Treasury decision and beyond our jurisdiction. 2511 02:51:52,409 --> 02:51:55,958 - I shall revoke the order. - That is impossible. Or difficult. 2512 02:51:56,129 --> 02:51:59,360 Or inadvisable. Or requires legislation. One of those. 2513 02:51:59,529 --> 02:52:03,966 Anyway, it could not invalidate an action taken while the order was in force. 2514 02:52:04,129 --> 02:52:07,360 I don't care if it's the Queen and the Pope... 2515 02:52:09,289 --> 02:52:11,883 - Judas! - I say, look here. 2516 02:52:12,049 --> 02:52:14,165 - You promised to support us! - I'm sorry... 2517 02:52:14,329 --> 02:52:17,241 You must see that our lease is renewed. 2518 02:52:17,409 --> 02:52:20,924 My dear lady, it's not in the Minister's p... 2519 02:52:23,569 --> 02:52:27,926 Mr Hacker, you have given your word. Are you going to keep it? 2520 02:52:28,089 --> 02:52:33,561 I shall leave no stone... every avenue... everything that is humanly possible... 2521 02:52:33,729 --> 02:52:36,038 - You mean, no. - No. 2522 02:52:36,209 --> 02:52:40,168 Yes, I mean no. I mean yes. Definitely not. No. 2523 02:52:40,329 --> 02:52:42,479 Yes, I mean, no. 2524 02:52:43,449 --> 02:52:46,327 Very well. Don't say I haven't warned you. 2525 02:52:46,489 --> 02:52:50,721 My husband is Deputy Features Editor of the Express. 2526 02:52:50,889 --> 02:52:55,280 Tomorrow morning your name will be manure. 2527 02:52:58,169 --> 02:53:01,559 You will be roasted alive by the national press. 2528 02:53:04,849 --> 02:53:10,321 It falls to few people to be, in the space of 24 hours, 2529 02:53:10,489 --> 02:53:13,481 both St Francis and St Joan. 2530 02:53:14,889 --> 02:53:18,325 Humphrey, something must be done to stop this farm closing. 2531 02:53:18,489 --> 02:53:20,923 Otherwise, we shall look a complete... (BUZZER) 2532 02:53:21,089 --> 02:53:25,241 - Yes? Sir Desmond Glazebrook is outside. - What does he want? 2533 02:53:25,409 --> 02:53:28,879 - I can't imagine. - Send him in! 2534 02:53:29,049 --> 02:53:31,643 It's Open Day at the Department! 2535 02:53:31,809 --> 02:53:35,961 Minister, I was passing and I've had an idea. 2536 02:53:36,129 --> 02:53:39,804 If you gave us permission for an extra nine storeys... 2537 02:53:39,969 --> 02:53:41,448 You asked for six! 2538 02:53:41,609 --> 02:53:45,921 If you gave us nine extra storeys, we could postpone phase three 2539 02:53:46,089 --> 02:53:48,557 for seven years, leaving this site vacant. 2540 02:53:48,729 --> 02:53:52,199 I was reading this morning in the Financial Times 2541 02:53:52,369 --> 02:53:55,725 about your visit to the city farm, a jolly good wheeze. 2542 02:53:55,889 --> 02:53:59,643 Our phase three site is only 200 yards away, 2543 02:53:59,809 --> 02:54:05,008 so you could use it to extend the farm, or if they had to move, it's a bit larger. 2544 02:54:05,169 --> 02:54:10,448 We thought of calling it "The James Hacker Cuddly Animal Sanctuary." 2545 02:54:12,089 --> 02:54:14,728 Well, "Animal Sanctuary", anyway. 2546 02:54:14,889 --> 02:54:18,006 Nine storeys isn't very much, is it? 2547 02:54:19,169 --> 02:54:21,729 "James Hacker Animal Sanctuary." 2548 02:54:25,569 --> 02:54:31,166 Government has to be awfully careful about throttling small businesses. 2549 02:54:31,329 --> 02:54:34,480 The bank isn't actually a small business. 2550 02:54:34,649 --> 02:54:37,368 It would be if we throttled it, Bernard. 2551 02:54:38,569 --> 02:54:43,723 After all, what is another tower block where there are so many? 2552 02:54:43,889 --> 02:54:46,164 (SIR HUMPHREY) Yes, indeed, Minister. 2553 02:54:46,329 --> 02:54:48,968 I shall be forced to reconsider my decision. 2554 02:54:49,129 --> 02:54:52,439 We'll be able to give Sir Desmond his six storeys... 2555 02:54:52,609 --> 02:54:53,928 Nine. 2556 02:54:54,089 --> 02:54:58,128 Nine storeys. Let's make a press announcement. 2557 02:54:58,289 --> 02:55:00,519 To the James Hacker Animal Sanctuary! 2558 02:55:00,689 --> 02:55:05,285 - You were worried about London Transport. - They will be glad of the extra fares. 2559 02:55:05,449 --> 02:55:07,041 As for the school... 2560 02:55:07,209 --> 02:55:09,677 They might welcome the shade. 2561 02:55:09,849 --> 02:55:12,602 In the hot weather, certainly. 2562 02:55:12,769 --> 02:55:16,079 - And privacy? - There are two sides to privacy. 2563 02:55:16,249 --> 02:55:20,322 People might enjoy looking at what goes on in those offices. 2564 02:55:20,489 --> 02:55:23,049 Extraordinary things go on in offices, don't they? 2565 02:55:23,209 --> 02:55:25,484 Yes, Minister. 2566 02:56:50,631 --> 02:56:54,988 You'll let me have your redraft on establishment levels by Thursday? 2567 02:56:55,151 --> 02:56:57,426 You need it that early? 2568 02:56:59,111 --> 02:57:01,227 I don't need it that early, 2569 02:57:01,391 --> 02:57:04,827 but the Minister has to read it before facing the select committee. 2570 02:57:04,991 --> 02:57:08,427 What makes it harder, he has to remember it. 2571 02:57:08,591 --> 02:57:11,549 Harder still, he has to understand it. 2572 02:57:11,711 --> 02:57:15,590 Incidentally, did you write the Minister's Washington speech? 2573 02:57:16,431 --> 02:57:18,023 Yes, Sir Humphrey. 2574 02:57:18,191 --> 02:57:21,228 - Splendid. Well done. - Thank you, Sir Humphrey. 2575 02:57:21,391 --> 02:57:23,347 The Minister's in now. 2576 02:57:23,511 --> 02:57:26,264 Good. Right, thank you all. 2577 02:57:26,431 --> 02:57:30,140 Have you enjoyed having your Minister away for a week? 2578 02:57:30,311 --> 02:57:33,303 Not very much. Makes things very difficult. 2579 02:57:33,471 --> 02:57:35,826 Ah, Bernard! 2580 02:57:35,991 --> 02:57:39,222 A Minister's absence is a godsend! 2581 02:57:39,391 --> 02:57:42,701 You can do the job properly for once. 2582 02:57:42,871 --> 02:57:47,786 No silly questions, no bright ideas, no fussing about the papers. 2583 02:57:47,951 --> 02:57:53,742 I think our Minister doesn't believe he exists unless he's in the papers. 2584 02:57:53,911 --> 02:57:58,985 I'll bet the first thing he says is, "Any reports on my Washington speech?" 2585 02:57:59,151 --> 02:58:00,948 - How much? - A pound. 2586 02:58:01,111 --> 02:58:04,342 Done. He won't because he's already asked! 2587 02:58:06,191 --> 02:58:09,706 In the car on the way back from Heathrow. 2588 02:58:09,871 --> 02:58:12,829 You're learning, Bernard. Sit down. 2589 02:58:12,991 --> 02:58:15,983 See why a Minister's absence is a good thing? 2590 02:58:16,151 --> 02:58:20,110 - Yes, but so much work piles up. - There we are. 2591 02:58:20,271 --> 02:58:25,061 With a couple of days' briefing before he goes and debriefing after, 2592 02:58:25,231 --> 02:58:27,870 he's out of our hair for a fortnight. 2593 02:58:28,031 --> 02:58:33,663 If he complains of being uninformed, say it came up while he was away. 2594 02:58:33,831 --> 02:58:36,584 Hence so many summit conferences? 2595 02:58:36,751 --> 02:58:39,219 That's the only way the country works! 2596 02:58:39,391 --> 02:58:43,543 Concentrate all the power at Number 10 then send the PM away 2597 02:58:43,711 --> 02:58:48,341 to EEC summits, NATO summits, Commonwealth summits, anywhere! 2598 02:58:48,511 --> 02:58:52,550 Then the Cabinet Secretary can run the country properly. 2599 02:58:52,711 --> 02:58:55,384 We ought to see him now. 2600 02:58:55,551 --> 02:58:58,509 What do you think of the Washington speech? 2601 02:58:58,671 --> 02:59:03,142 "British administration as a model of loyalty and efficiency. 2602 02:59:03,311 --> 02:59:07,224 "A ruthless war on waste, cutting bureaucracy to the bone. 2603 02:59:07,391 --> 02:59:10,303 - "Britain can teach the world!" - Can we prove it? 2604 02:59:10,471 --> 02:59:15,420 A good speech isn't one where we can prove he's telling the truth. 2605 02:59:15,591 --> 02:59:19,300 It's one in which nobody else can prove he's lying! 2606 02:59:19,471 --> 02:59:24,750 But even so, I'm sure it was good, 2607 02:59:24,911 --> 02:59:29,302 but I just wondered whether it was boring for the audience. 2608 02:59:30,911 --> 02:59:33,744 Of course it was boring! 2609 02:59:34,671 --> 02:59:37,060 Bored the pants of them! 2610 02:59:37,231 --> 02:59:40,621 Ghastly to have to sit through it, I should think! 2611 02:59:40,791 --> 02:59:43,703 Ministers' speeches aren't written for the audience. 2612 02:59:43,871 --> 02:59:45,190 Aren't they? 2613 02:59:45,351 --> 02:59:50,983 Delivering a speech is just a formality you go through to get into the papers. 2614 02:59:51,151 --> 02:59:55,144 We can't worry about entertaining. We're not writing for a comedian. 2615 02:59:55,311 --> 02:59:57,984 Well, not a professional one! 2616 02:59:58,711 --> 03:00:01,703 The point is the speech said the right things. 2617 03:00:01,871 --> 03:00:05,989 - But why say it in public? - It's vital. 2618 03:00:06,151 --> 03:00:10,986 Once it's printed, the Minister has to defend us in select committees. 2619 03:00:11,151 --> 03:00:16,271 - He defends us anyway. - Well... only to a point, Bernard. 2620 03:00:16,431 --> 03:00:18,706 Once something goes wrong, 2621 03:00:18,871 --> 03:00:23,991 the Minister's first instinct is to rat on his department. 2622 03:00:24,151 --> 03:00:26,904 We must nail his trousers to the mast. 2623 03:00:27,071 --> 03:00:30,859 - You mean nail his colours? - No, his trousers. 2624 03:00:31,031 --> 03:00:34,182 Then he can't climb down! Come on. 2625 03:00:37,551 --> 03:00:40,384 - Welcome home, Minister! - Hello, Humphrey. 2626 03:00:40,551 --> 03:00:45,579 Bernard, didn't you say there were some press cuttings on my speech? 2627 03:00:45,751 --> 03:00:48,788 Yes, I put them in the box, Minister. 2628 03:00:58,871 --> 03:01:03,501 Minister, you do realise the importance of tomorrow's hearing? 2629 03:01:03,671 --> 03:01:06,060 Indeed. The press will be there. 2630 03:01:06,231 --> 03:01:08,904 It's not just a question of the press. 2631 03:01:09,071 --> 03:01:12,188 It's a scrutiny of this department's future operation. 2632 03:01:12,351 --> 03:01:15,707 If it emerged that we were extravagant or incompetent... 2633 03:01:15,871 --> 03:01:18,863 - Are we extravagant or incompetent? - Of course not. 2634 03:01:19,031 --> 03:01:23,388 But there are hostile members, especially the one for Derbyshire. 2635 03:01:23,551 --> 03:01:26,941 - No! Betty Oldham won't be there? - Yes, alas. 2636 03:01:27,111 --> 03:01:32,060 I urge you to master this brief, and ask if you have any problems. 2637 03:01:32,231 --> 03:01:36,383 Another brief? I've only just mastered one. 2638 03:01:36,551 --> 03:01:38,781 Really? What was in it? 2639 03:01:39,911 --> 03:01:41,822 I can't remember. 2640 03:01:41,991 --> 03:01:46,781 So difficult to concentrate on a plane, all those drinks and movies. 2641 03:01:47,591 --> 03:01:50,947 - And they wake you up. - Of course, Minister. 2642 03:01:51,111 --> 03:01:54,626 Frightfully difficult to concentrate if you keep being woken up. 2643 03:01:54,791 --> 03:02:00,946 Seriously, this is the only brief with possible questions from the committee 2644 03:02:01,111 --> 03:02:04,899 with appropriate answers carefully presented to give our position. 2645 03:02:05,071 --> 03:02:07,107 Is it absolutely accurate? 2646 03:02:07,271 --> 03:02:10,183 They're carefully presented to give our position. 2647 03:02:11,471 --> 03:02:14,941 These committees are important. I cannot be seen to mislead them. 2648 03:02:15,111 --> 03:02:17,784 You will not be seen to mislead them. 2649 03:02:17,951 --> 03:02:20,749 - The truth? - And nothing but. 2650 03:02:20,911 --> 03:02:23,061 - The whole truth? - Of course not. 2651 03:02:23,231 --> 03:02:26,303 - We tell them we keep secrets? - Indeed not! 2652 03:02:26,471 --> 03:02:28,348 Why not? 2653 03:02:28,511 --> 03:02:31,628 "He that would keep a secret must keep it secret, 2654 03:02:31,791 --> 03:02:35,420 "that he hath the secret to keep." 2655 03:02:39,951 --> 03:02:41,942 Who said that? 2656 03:02:42,751 --> 03:02:44,742 It was Sir Humphrey. 2657 03:02:46,511 --> 03:02:50,709 - Who said it originally? - Francis Bacon, wasn't it? 2658 03:02:50,871 --> 03:02:52,270 Oh, yes. 2659 03:02:52,431 --> 03:02:55,229 Why can't we go anywhere without briefs? 2660 03:02:55,391 --> 03:02:58,906 In case they get caught with their trousers down. 2661 03:02:59,711 --> 03:03:02,589 Trousers down! Pick them...! 2662 03:03:03,471 --> 03:03:05,382 Very droll, Bernard. 2663 03:03:05,551 --> 03:03:09,544 - Are we going to be interrupted? - Your diary's empty today. 2664 03:03:09,711 --> 03:03:12,384 What was in that submission I read? 2665 03:03:12,551 --> 03:03:15,623 More or less a rehash of last year's report. 2666 03:03:15,791 --> 03:03:18,305 And the year before? And the year before that? 2667 03:03:18,471 --> 03:03:20,666 Yes, ever since 1867. 2668 03:03:20,831 --> 03:03:24,141 With appropriate alterations. Shall we go through it? 2669 03:03:24,431 --> 03:03:26,581 Must we? I'm still jet-lagged. 2670 03:03:26,751 --> 03:03:28,981 All the press will be there. 2671 03:03:29,151 --> 03:03:31,187 Right, let's get down to it. 2672 03:03:31,991 --> 03:03:36,223 The fact is that the Department of Administrative Affairs 2673 03:03:36,391 --> 03:03:40,669 is run to a high standard of efficiency and supports and services 2674 03:03:40,831 --> 03:03:44,870 the administrative work of all Government departments, 2675 03:03:45,031 --> 03:03:47,101 as we've said in our submission. 2676 03:03:47,271 --> 03:03:50,024 Thank you, Minister. Questions? 2677 03:03:50,191 --> 03:03:52,500 - Mrs Oldham? - Thank you. 2678 03:03:52,671 --> 03:03:55,708 Minister, have you heard of Malcolm Rhodes? 2679 03:03:57,751 --> 03:03:59,104 No. 2680 03:03:59,271 --> 03:04:05,540 He was assistant secretary in the DAA until he resigned last year. 2681 03:04:05,711 --> 03:04:08,669 There are 23,000 people in the DAA. 2682 03:04:08,831 --> 03:04:11,789 But he resigned or was eased out. 2683 03:04:11,951 --> 03:04:15,705 Became a management consultant and has just written a book - 2684 03:04:15,871 --> 03:04:18,021 this is an advance proof - 2685 03:04:18,191 --> 03:04:23,106 in which he makes astounding allegations of waste of public money, 2686 03:04:23,271 --> 03:04:25,466 particularly in your department. 2687 03:04:26,991 --> 03:04:30,381 Could I have a word with my officials, Mr Chairman? 2688 03:04:30,551 --> 03:04:33,861 - Know about this? - Not about the book. 2689 03:04:34,031 --> 03:04:37,307 - Who is Rhodes? - He's a trouble-maker. 2690 03:04:37,471 --> 03:04:39,701 - What's in the book? - Don't know. 2691 03:04:39,871 --> 03:04:42,066 - What do I do? - Stall. 2692 03:04:42,231 --> 03:04:44,825 "Stall", meaning avoiding answer. 2693 03:04:44,991 --> 03:04:47,551 Yes, I know what stall means! 2694 03:04:47,711 --> 03:04:50,987 You've sent me into a typhoon without even an umbrella! 2695 03:04:51,151 --> 03:04:53,187 An umbrella's no use in wind... 2696 03:04:53,351 --> 03:04:55,262 Shut up, Bernard! 2697 03:04:56,151 --> 03:05:00,030 Have you had sufficient consultation with your officials? 2698 03:05:00,191 --> 03:05:01,510 I... 2699 03:05:01,671 --> 03:05:06,461 Let me read you some scandalous facts Mr Rhodes reveals, 2700 03:05:06,631 --> 03:05:11,386 and I quote, "No 4 supply depot in Herefordshire, 2701 03:05:11,551 --> 03:05:15,226 "two former aircraft hangars used only for stores 2702 03:05:15,391 --> 03:05:19,623 "but which are centrally-heated to 70 degrees day and night." 2703 03:05:19,791 --> 03:05:24,706 - What do you say about that? - I can't answer without prior notice. 2704 03:05:24,871 --> 03:05:28,546 - It might not be true. - It is. I checked. 2705 03:05:28,711 --> 03:05:32,499 What reason can there be for such appalling extravagance? 2706 03:05:32,671 --> 03:05:37,461 Some materials deteriorate at low temperatures, depending on what it is. 2707 03:05:38,071 --> 03:05:39,629 Copper wire. 2708 03:05:41,311 --> 03:05:44,383 Yes, well... copper wire? 2709 03:05:44,551 --> 03:05:47,349 It can corrode in damp conditions. 2710 03:05:47,511 --> 03:05:50,230 It's plastic-coated. 2711 03:05:50,391 --> 03:05:51,904 Plastic-coated? 2712 03:05:52,071 --> 03:05:53,390 I... 2713 03:05:53,551 --> 03:05:57,544 Plastic-coated? I'll certainly have it looked into. 2714 03:05:58,151 --> 03:06:04,101 He says you insist on ordering all pens, pencils, paperclips and so on centrally, 2715 03:06:04,271 --> 03:06:07,468 then distributing them against departmental requisitions. 2716 03:06:07,631 --> 03:06:11,624 That seems to be quite sensible. Savings through bulk purchase. 2717 03:06:11,791 --> 03:06:15,989 He demonstrates that this is four times more expensive 2718 03:06:16,151 --> 03:06:21,020 than if officers bought what they want on the High Street. 2719 03:06:21,191 --> 03:06:23,182 Very interesting. 2720 03:06:23,951 --> 03:06:27,546 If so, we'll change the system. We're not a rigid bureaucracy. 2721 03:06:27,711 --> 03:06:32,739 He said he proposed this change when he was in your department, 2722 03:06:32,911 --> 03:06:37,826 and it was turned down as people were used to the existing procedure. 2723 03:06:37,991 --> 03:06:42,985 - How's that for rigid bureaucracy? - I'll have it looked into. 2724 03:06:43,871 --> 03:06:46,465 - "Looked into"? - Yes! 2725 03:06:46,631 --> 03:06:49,941 You said in your Washington speech last week 2726 03:06:50,111 --> 03:06:55,981 that you conducted a war on waste and could teach the world a lesson. 2727 03:06:56,151 --> 03:07:01,179 How do you reconcile that with spending £75,000 on a roof garden 2728 03:07:01,351 --> 03:07:05,344 on top of the supplementary benefits office in Kettering? 2729 03:07:06,791 --> 03:07:08,110 I'm... I'll... 2730 03:07:08,271 --> 03:07:11,946 - Have it looked into? - Yes! Yes, I will! 2731 03:07:12,111 --> 03:07:17,231 The DAA's Permanent Secretary is due to appear next week. 2732 03:07:17,391 --> 03:07:20,827 Isn't he the appropriate person to answer the questions? 2733 03:07:20,991 --> 03:07:25,587 Thank you. See that Sir Humphrey's notified. 2734 03:07:25,751 --> 03:07:29,187 Perhaps you might let him see the allegations? 2735 03:07:29,351 --> 03:07:33,469 "Allegations of Government waste"? "Big questions to answer"? 2736 03:07:33,631 --> 03:07:37,510 - You've put me in a difficult position! - What about me?! 2737 03:07:37,671 --> 03:07:43,029 The PM's demanding economies, and we've been wasting all this money! 2738 03:07:43,191 --> 03:07:46,467 No one's been saving anything, you should know that! 2739 03:07:47,031 --> 03:07:49,340 They look as though they have. 2740 03:07:49,511 --> 03:07:52,469 - Couldn't you have stalled? - Stalled? 2741 03:07:52,631 --> 03:07:55,225 Blurred things a bit. 2742 03:07:55,391 --> 03:07:58,110 - You're good at blurring the issue. - What? 2743 03:07:58,271 --> 03:08:01,343 You have a considerable talent for making things unintelligible. 2744 03:08:01,511 --> 03:08:05,743 - I beg your pardon! - I mean that as a compliment. 2745 03:08:05,911 --> 03:08:10,302 Blurring the issue is one of the basic ministerial skills. 2746 03:08:10,471 --> 03:08:11,790 And the others? 2747 03:08:11,951 --> 03:08:14,260 Delaying decisions, dodging questions, 2748 03:08:14,431 --> 03:08:18,140 juggling figures, bending facts and concealing errors. 2749 03:08:18,311 --> 03:08:20,506 What was I to do? 2750 03:08:20,671 --> 03:08:24,107 Make it look like you'd do something and do nothing. 2751 03:08:24,271 --> 03:08:26,102 Like you usually do. 2752 03:08:27,151 --> 03:08:30,507 - But if these revelations are true... - Exactly, Minister, "if". 2753 03:08:30,671 --> 03:08:33,185 You could have discussed truth. 2754 03:08:33,351 --> 03:08:36,423 The committee isn't interested in truth. 2755 03:08:36,591 --> 03:08:39,059 They're all MPs! 2756 03:08:40,191 --> 03:08:45,106 - What about a security matter? - HB pencils a security matter?! 2757 03:08:46,071 --> 03:08:48,141 Depends what you write with them! 2758 03:08:48,311 --> 03:08:51,383 Why build roof gardens on top of offices? 2759 03:08:51,551 --> 03:08:55,260 We took over the office design from an American company, 2760 03:08:55,431 --> 03:09:00,107 and it happens that nobody noticed the roof gardens on the plan. 2761 03:09:00,271 --> 03:09:01,590 God! 2762 03:09:02,991 --> 03:09:05,664 It's a tiny mistake anyone could make. 2763 03:09:05,831 --> 03:09:09,949 Tiny mistake, £75,000? Give me an example of a big mistake? 2764 03:09:10,111 --> 03:09:12,909 Letting people find out about it! 2765 03:09:13,871 --> 03:09:16,943 Why are we heating sheds full of wire? 2766 03:09:17,111 --> 03:09:20,103 - You want the truth? - If it's no trouble. 2767 03:09:20,271 --> 03:09:24,059 The staff are using the sheds for growing mushrooms. 2768 03:09:25,151 --> 03:09:26,470 Stop them! 2769 03:09:27,151 --> 03:09:30,029 They've been doing it since 1945. 2770 03:09:30,191 --> 03:09:33,183 It's the only perk in an extremely boring job. 2771 03:09:33,351 --> 03:09:36,502 What about Rhodes's proposals for stationery? 2772 03:09:36,671 --> 03:09:41,586 He was a trouble-maker and crank, unhealthily obsessed with efficiency. 2773 03:09:41,751 --> 03:09:44,948 Why didn't we adopt his proposals and save millions? 2774 03:09:45,111 --> 03:09:48,865 - Yes, but a lot of work to implement. - So? 2775 03:09:49,031 --> 03:09:51,750 - Taking on more staff. - Humphrey! 2776 03:09:51,911 --> 03:09:54,345 - Disprove it. - I can't, obviously. 2777 03:09:54,511 --> 03:09:56,581 - Exactly! - Making it up? 2778 03:09:56,751 --> 03:09:58,901 - Of course. - Why? 2779 03:09:59,071 --> 03:10:03,462 As an example of how to handle a select committee. 2780 03:10:06,071 --> 03:10:09,347 Sir Humphrey, let's get down to details. 2781 03:10:09,511 --> 03:10:12,662 - This heated aircraft hangar. - Indeed. 2782 03:10:12,831 --> 03:10:18,508 I do understand your concern, but it gets frightfully cold in Herefordshire. 2783 03:10:18,671 --> 03:10:22,061 - Even civil servants... - We aren't talking about civil servants. 2784 03:10:22,231 --> 03:10:26,622 We're talking coils of wire plastic-coated to keep them warm! 2785 03:10:27,511 --> 03:10:30,662 - Staff are in and out all the time. - Why? 2786 03:10:30,831 --> 03:10:35,905 Taking deliveries, making withdrawals, checking records, 2787 03:10:36,071 --> 03:10:37,789 fire inspections... 2788 03:10:37,951 --> 03:10:42,945 - They can wear gloves, can't they? - But it's a staff welfare policy. 2789 03:10:43,591 --> 03:10:47,709 I suggest this policy is costing the taxpayer millions! 2790 03:10:49,751 --> 03:10:51,662 Nothing to say? 2791 03:10:51,831 --> 03:10:53,981 I can't comment on Government policy. 2792 03:10:54,151 --> 03:10:59,862 - But you advise the Minister. - I can't disclose how I advise him. 2793 03:11:00,031 --> 03:11:05,981 - The Minister's responsible for policy. - All right. We'll ask the Minister. 2794 03:11:06,831 --> 03:11:09,299 What about stationery savings? 2795 03:11:10,151 --> 03:11:15,669 It would've meant considerable Government patronage on junior staff. 2796 03:11:15,831 --> 03:11:17,822 "Considerable Government patronage"? 2797 03:11:17,991 --> 03:11:20,744 Buying a packet of paperclips? 2798 03:11:20,911 --> 03:11:27,384 It's Government policy to exercise strict control over who can spend its money. 2799 03:11:27,551 --> 03:11:31,430 It's common sense to let people buy their own paperclips. 2800 03:11:31,591 --> 03:11:35,584 Government policy is nothing to do with common sense. 2801 03:11:38,631 --> 03:11:42,306 Don't you think it's time the policy was changed? 2802 03:11:42,471 --> 03:11:43,824 Well, Sir Humphrey? 2803 03:11:43,991 --> 03:11:47,301 I can't comment on Government policy. Ask the Minister. 2804 03:11:47,471 --> 03:11:49,860 The Minister advises us to ask you. 2805 03:11:50,031 --> 03:11:52,670 I'm advising you to ask the Minister. 2806 03:11:52,831 --> 03:11:56,426 - When does this end? - As soon as you like. 2807 03:11:57,271 --> 03:11:59,546 Let's come to the roof garden. 2808 03:11:59,711 --> 03:12:01,702 Yes, with pleasure. 2809 03:12:03,111 --> 03:12:09,061 This was part of a wide variety of roof insulation schemes, 2810 03:12:09,231 --> 03:12:13,509 which the Government was testing in the interest of fuel economy. 2811 03:12:13,671 --> 03:12:16,231 But £75,000! 2812 03:12:16,391 --> 03:12:20,942 It was thought the sale of vegetable produce might offset the cost. 2813 03:12:21,111 --> 03:12:22,703 And did it? 2814 03:12:22,871 --> 03:12:26,341 - No. - Then why not abandon the garden? 2815 03:12:26,511 --> 03:12:30,982 It's there now, insulating the roof, and we aren't building any more. 2816 03:12:31,751 --> 03:12:34,470 But you've wasted £75,000! 2817 03:12:34,631 --> 03:12:37,907 All proposals were tested for fuel saving. 2818 03:12:38,391 --> 03:12:43,465 At this fantastic waste of taxpayers' money? You agree it was wasted? 2819 03:12:43,631 --> 03:12:46,907 I can't comment on Government policy. Ask the Minister. 2820 03:12:47,071 --> 03:12:52,429 Look, whatever we ask the Minister, he says is a question for you. 2821 03:12:52,591 --> 03:12:56,664 Whatever we ask you, you say is a question for the Minister! 2822 03:12:56,831 --> 03:13:02,827 - How do we find out what's going on? - Yes, I see there is a dilemma here. 2823 03:13:02,991 --> 03:13:07,667 While the Government regards policy as the responsibility of Ministers 2824 03:13:07,831 --> 03:13:10,823 and administration as the responsibility of officials, 2825 03:13:10,991 --> 03:13:13,664 questions of administrative policy cause confusion 2826 03:13:13,831 --> 03:13:18,666 between the policy of administration and the administration of policy, 2827 03:13:18,831 --> 03:13:23,188 especially when responsibility for the policy of administration 2828 03:13:23,351 --> 03:13:28,061 conflicts with responsibility for the policy of administration of policy. 2829 03:13:31,991 --> 03:13:35,142 That's a load of meaningless drivel. 2830 03:13:35,311 --> 03:13:37,029 Isn't it? 2831 03:13:37,911 --> 03:13:42,109 I can't comment on Government policy. You must ask the Minister. 2832 03:13:42,631 --> 03:13:45,589 - A great help! - I did my best. 2833 03:13:45,751 --> 03:13:50,666 Best for yourself, perhaps! But your answers solved nothing. 2834 03:13:50,831 --> 03:13:55,746 We'll both be there, getting the third degree from that committee. 2835 03:13:55,911 --> 03:13:58,744 We've got to have the same answers! 2836 03:13:58,911 --> 03:14:02,142 - Let's establish our position. - What are the facts? 2837 03:14:02,311 --> 03:14:04,905 The facts are neither here nor there! 2838 03:14:05,951 --> 03:14:07,350 I see. What's our position? 2839 03:14:07,511 --> 03:14:14,428 We choose one of the five standard excuses to deal with each allegation. 2840 03:14:14,591 --> 03:14:17,059 Five standard excuses? 2841 03:14:17,231 --> 03:14:21,509 First, the excuse we used in the Anthony Blunt case: 2842 03:14:21,671 --> 03:14:24,504 "There's an explanation for everything, 2843 03:14:24,671 --> 03:14:27,663 "but security forbids its disclosure." 2844 03:14:28,511 --> 03:14:31,662 Second, the excuse we used for comprehensive schools: 2845 03:14:31,831 --> 03:14:37,030 "Because of budget cuts, supervisory resources went beyond their limits." 2846 03:14:37,191 --> 03:14:40,740 - That's not true, is it? - But it's a good excuse. 2847 03:14:40,911 --> 03:14:43,027 Then there's the excuse for Concorde: 2848 03:14:43,191 --> 03:14:45,546 "A worthwhile experiment, now abandoned, 2849 03:14:45,711 --> 03:14:50,546 "but not before it had provided much valuable data and employment." 2850 03:14:50,711 --> 03:14:53,669 But that is true, isn't it? 2851 03:14:53,831 --> 03:14:55,947 Oh, no, of course it isn't. 2852 03:14:56,631 --> 03:15:00,590 Four, there's the excuse for the Munich Agreement: 2853 03:15:00,751 --> 03:15:05,222 "It occurred before important facts were known and couldn't re-occur." 2854 03:15:05,391 --> 03:15:07,029 What important facts? 2855 03:15:07,191 --> 03:15:10,501 That Hitler wanted to conquer Europe. 2856 03:15:11,031 --> 03:15:14,910 - I thought everybody knew that! - Not the Foreign Office. 2857 03:15:15,951 --> 03:15:17,942 - Five? - Five... 2858 03:15:18,111 --> 03:15:20,705 The Charge of the Light Brigade excuse: 2859 03:15:20,871 --> 03:15:23,146 "An unfortunate lapse by an individual, 2860 03:15:23,311 --> 03:15:27,065 "dealt with under internal disciplinary procedures." 2861 03:15:27,991 --> 03:15:31,506 - That covers everything? - Just about, so far. 2862 03:15:32,031 --> 03:15:34,591 - Even wars? - Small wars. 2863 03:15:35,991 --> 03:15:41,384 - It's real teamwork from now on. - United we stand, divided we fall! 2864 03:15:41,551 --> 03:15:43,906 Minister, you're due at the House. 2865 03:15:44,071 --> 03:15:49,429 The PM's adviser wants you to pop in for a drink. Sir Mark Spencer. 2866 03:15:50,311 --> 03:15:52,347 - Mark Spencer? - I suggested 5.30? 2867 03:15:52,511 --> 03:15:55,821 Fine, yes. Oh, dear. I knew there'd be trouble. 2868 03:15:55,991 --> 03:16:00,143 The PM wants to know why our replies have been so feeble. 2869 03:16:00,311 --> 03:16:02,825 Perhaps it's just for a drink. 2870 03:16:02,991 --> 03:16:06,904 They don't ask you for a drink just because you're thirsty! 2871 03:16:07,391 --> 03:16:12,067 I'll meet you back here at 6.30, and we'll cook up a story. 2872 03:16:12,911 --> 03:16:16,904 - Agree our position, Minister. - That's what I said. 2873 03:16:41,511 --> 03:16:43,183 (KNOCK AT DOOR) 2874 03:16:43,351 --> 03:16:45,387 Come in! 2875 03:16:46,631 --> 03:16:48,349 Hello, Jim. 2876 03:16:48,511 --> 03:16:50,706 - Scotch? - Thanks. 2877 03:16:51,591 --> 03:16:54,264 - How are things going? - Fine. 2878 03:16:54,431 --> 03:16:59,221 That select committee was a shock, throwing the book at us, 2879 03:16:59,391 --> 03:17:04,306 but everything's under control and Humphrey and I can explain it. 2880 03:17:04,471 --> 03:17:06,268 The PM shouldn't worry. 2881 03:17:06,431 --> 03:17:11,425 I'd like to know where Malcolm Rhodes got all his information. 2882 03:17:11,591 --> 03:17:15,823 And who gave the proofs to Betty Oldham? The PM must be livid. 2883 03:17:15,991 --> 03:17:18,141 It's no fault of mine. 2884 03:17:18,311 --> 03:17:21,986 - Why do you think the PM's livid? - Surely...? 2885 03:17:22,151 --> 03:17:26,224 Let's look at the situation logically. Sit down. 2886 03:17:26,391 --> 03:17:28,382 Yes. Of course. 2887 03:17:28,551 --> 03:17:31,019 Let me ask you some questions. 2888 03:17:31,711 --> 03:17:35,545 What is the PM trying to achieve in public expenditure? 2889 03:17:35,711 --> 03:17:39,226 - Cuts, obviously. - Why so little success? 2890 03:17:39,391 --> 03:17:44,385 - Obstruction from the civil service? - Are all the Cabinet committed to it? 2891 03:17:44,551 --> 03:17:49,579 - I think so. I certainly am. - But no Minister's made any cuts. 2892 03:17:51,351 --> 03:17:54,582 - Rome wasn't built in a day. - No. 2893 03:17:54,751 --> 03:17:57,823 It's because all the Ministers have gone native. 2894 03:17:57,991 --> 03:18:01,461 - Surely...? - The civil service has trained them! 2895 03:18:01,631 --> 03:18:04,828 Well, maybe true... Certainly not of me! 2896 03:18:04,991 --> 03:18:08,700 If a Minister were really trying to cut expenditure, 2897 03:18:08,871 --> 03:18:13,342 how would he react to a book exposing Government waste? 2898 03:18:13,511 --> 03:18:15,581 - I should think he'd... - Mmm? 2899 03:18:17,191 --> 03:18:19,751 It would depend... 2900 03:18:20,631 --> 03:18:22,781 What are you trying to say? 2901 03:18:22,951 --> 03:18:27,547 Know what the civil service say? You're a pleasure to work with. 2902 03:18:27,711 --> 03:18:29,030 Oh! 2903 03:18:30,511 --> 03:18:32,149 Oh... 2904 03:18:32,311 --> 03:18:35,860 That's what Barbara Woodhouse says about her spaniels. 2905 03:18:37,511 --> 03:18:40,708 Sir Humphrey said you're worth your weight in gold. 2906 03:18:40,871 --> 03:18:43,226 What does that suggest to you? 2907 03:18:43,391 --> 03:18:46,189 That I've failed utterly? 2908 03:18:46,351 --> 03:18:49,866 You look as if you need another Scotch. 2909 03:18:50,031 --> 03:18:55,549 The PM isn't pleased with my performance at the committee. 2910 03:18:55,711 --> 03:18:59,784 - I failed to cover up the failure. - On the contrary. 2911 03:18:59,951 --> 03:19:03,227 He's not pleased because you're covering up too well. 2912 03:19:03,391 --> 03:19:07,270 Don't you see? You're protecting the civil service. 2913 03:19:07,431 --> 03:19:10,229 The PM and I are doing our best 2914 03:19:10,391 --> 03:19:15,067 to expose why cuts in expenditure are not taking place. 2915 03:19:15,231 --> 03:19:19,429 And you are helping the civil service to defy the Government. 2916 03:19:19,591 --> 03:19:21,900 Am I? 2917 03:19:22,071 --> 03:19:25,063 You were wondering where Betty Oldham got the proofs 2918 03:19:25,231 --> 03:19:29,224 and where Malcolm Rhodes got that inside information. 2919 03:19:29,391 --> 03:19:31,382 Can't you guess? 2920 03:19:32,151 --> 03:19:34,790 (WHISPERS) You mean... the PM? 2921 03:19:34,951 --> 03:19:37,226 Of course not! 2922 03:19:39,111 --> 03:19:40,430 Not directly. 2923 03:19:42,031 --> 03:19:44,784 (WHISPERS) You mean... you? 2924 03:19:46,671 --> 03:19:49,822 What am I to do at the select committee? 2925 03:19:49,991 --> 03:19:53,984 There's only one course open to you. Absolute loyalty. 2926 03:19:56,271 --> 03:19:58,546 Who to? 2927 03:20:00,231 --> 03:20:02,699 That's your decision. 2928 03:20:05,511 --> 03:20:10,141 It was an error that occurred before important facts were known. 2929 03:20:10,311 --> 03:20:14,748 I assure you it is an oversight that couldn't possibly happen again. 2930 03:20:14,911 --> 03:20:18,506 - Wouldn't you agree, Minister? - Perfectly correct. 2931 03:20:18,671 --> 03:20:21,947 The correct official reply. 2932 03:20:22,111 --> 03:20:27,139 But I've been thinking very deeply over the last few days, 2933 03:20:27,311 --> 03:20:31,668 and there's no doubt that this committee is on to something. 2934 03:20:31,831 --> 03:20:34,629 Of course there's waste. 2935 03:20:35,591 --> 03:20:38,867 And excuses can always be found in individual cases. 2936 03:20:39,031 --> 03:20:42,228 But you have convinced me our approach is wrong. 2937 03:20:42,391 --> 03:20:47,146 Ministers and their civil servants so often cover up and defend 2938 03:20:47,311 --> 03:20:50,383 where they should seek out and destroy. 2939 03:20:54,751 --> 03:20:58,426 I've spoken to Mr Rhodes, author of this invaluable book, 2940 03:20:58,591 --> 03:21:01,389 and he'll head an independent enquiry 2941 03:21:01,551 --> 03:21:05,942 into the field of administration, starting with my department. 2942 03:21:06,111 --> 03:21:09,467 And how does Sir Humphrey react to this? 2943 03:21:10,551 --> 03:21:14,100 Sir Humphrey is in complete agreement with me. 2944 03:21:14,271 --> 03:21:19,265 We work as a team. I must say, he's a pleasure to work with. 2945 03:21:20,471 --> 03:21:23,702 But this account of what's been going on 2946 03:21:23,871 --> 03:21:28,820 doesn't square with your Washington speech about a war on waste. 2947 03:21:28,991 --> 03:21:33,428 Well, I'm an old-fashioned sort of chap, Betty, 2948 03:21:34,551 --> 03:21:37,349 and I believe in a thing called loyalty. 2949 03:21:37,511 --> 03:21:43,461 Whatever you say in private you defend in public, eh, Humphrey? 2950 03:21:43,631 --> 03:21:46,782 In that case, aren't you being disloyal now? 2951 03:21:48,151 --> 03:21:51,507 No. I believe a Minister has a higher loyalty. 2952 03:21:51,671 --> 03:21:54,344 A loyalty to Parliament and the nation. 2953 03:21:55,031 --> 03:21:58,546 And that loyalty must be paramount, 2954 03:21:58,711 --> 03:22:01,305 however hard and painful that may be. 2955 03:22:01,471 --> 03:22:04,986 Of course, one is loyal to one's department and officials, 2956 03:22:05,151 --> 03:22:09,702 until the evidence is overwhelming, but I must say in public, 2957 03:22:09,871 --> 03:22:12,943 that reforms can and will take place, 2958 03:22:13,111 --> 03:22:18,310 and I know I shall find in Sir Humphrey my staunchest ally. 2959 03:22:18,471 --> 03:22:20,701 Isn't that so, Humphrey? 2960 03:22:20,871 --> 03:22:22,782 (CROAKS) Yes, Minister. 2961 03:22:22,951 --> 03:22:25,181 Yes, Minister. 2962 03:22:25,351 --> 03:22:28,104 - A big help! - I did my best. 2963 03:22:28,271 --> 03:22:32,150 The best for yourself! This is your idea of teamwork? Amusing! 2964 03:22:32,311 --> 03:22:35,542 - I had to do it. - Had to do what? 2965 03:22:35,711 --> 03:22:38,350 Cravenly admit everything to them? 2966 03:22:38,511 --> 03:22:41,583 Don't you realise how calamitous this is for us? 2967 03:22:41,751 --> 03:22:45,300 - Not both of us, I hope. - You hope in vain. 2968 03:22:45,471 --> 03:22:48,941 We're up in arms, with very little confidence in you. 2969 03:22:49,111 --> 03:22:52,148 As for Number 10, I shudder to think 2970 03:22:52,311 --> 03:22:56,145 how the PM will react to your public admission of failure. 2971 03:22:56,311 --> 03:22:59,383 A personal letter from the Prime Minister. 2972 03:23:01,591 --> 03:23:04,185 I did warn you, Minister. 2973 03:23:04,351 --> 03:23:07,070 Bernard, you should give some thought 2974 03:23:07,231 --> 03:23:11,668 to drafting a face-saving letter of resignation for the Minister. 2975 03:23:13,551 --> 03:23:15,746 "Dear Jim..." 2976 03:23:15,911 --> 03:23:17,947 "Dear Jim"? 2977 03:23:19,311 --> 03:23:22,621 "We haven't seen enough of each other lately. 2978 03:23:22,791 --> 03:23:25,942 "Are you free for lunch at Chequers on Sunday? 2979 03:23:26,111 --> 03:23:31,185 "We shall just be the family. I look forward to seeing you." 2980 03:23:31,871 --> 03:23:34,510 I don't think I...? 2981 03:23:35,391 --> 03:23:37,427 It has paid off! 2982 03:23:38,391 --> 03:23:41,667 A conspiracy! That drink with Mark Spencer! 2983 03:23:41,831 --> 03:23:44,789 "...not seen enough... Lunch at Chequers..." 2984 03:23:44,951 --> 03:23:49,263 It's hand-written! Do you realise how much it's worth? 2985 03:23:49,431 --> 03:23:52,821 I believe the going rate is thirty pieces of silver! 2986 03:23:53,831 --> 03:23:58,029 No, Humphrey. Loyalty and integrity have received their just rewards. 2987 03:23:58,191 --> 03:23:59,988 Loyalty?! 2988 03:24:00,151 --> 03:24:05,066 I have backed you up the same way you have always backed me up. 2989 03:24:05,231 --> 03:24:06,983 Isn't that so? 2990 03:24:08,231 --> 03:24:10,791 Sorry? Did you say something? 2991 03:24:11,871 --> 03:24:14,339 I think he said, "Yes, Minister."